You’re baby watson. You want to figure out a contrarian angle and it’s both tiresome and futile. I used to align pretty closely with watson, but then he became a weirdo prick when he sensed an overall shift. You’ve evidently taken it upon yourself to pick up his always evolving semantic torch.
To be fair, not holding the door open behind you is pretty bad manners. If schools and families still taught manners, we probably wouldn't be in this mess!
The hospital told me, ‘Your daughter’s going into cardiac arrest.’ And I said, ‘What?’” her mom, Jessica Treviño, told People. “Her heart [rate] skyrocketed because she couldn’t take the trauma.” I mean she could be lying but..
The actual People article that the huffpo is quoting states it was a "near heart attack". Would be a pretty weird way to describe a pt going into cardiac arrest.
“Her mother rushed her to the hospital, where doctors told her IIliana had been on the verge of having a heart attack. More than a week later, she remains hospitalized.”
I guess we are playing a semantics game. Your original post was “She didn't experience cardiac arrest” and I’m not a doctor so idk if being told “she is on the verge of having a heart attack” and having to remain in the hospital for over a week qualifies as “cardiac arrest”. It certainly isn’t “sensationalism”.
First, dude's all Ben Shapiro-y "merrr know your terminology when it comes to assault style weapons!" then suddenly all "ItH iT lIkE a HaRt AtTaK?"
Gotcha. Yeah, that's not what I was saying. It just surprised me to read that the child had gone into cardiac arrest(which people typically don't survive).
I just thought it was pretty much impossible for someone that young to go into cardiac arrest but I’m certainly not a doctor and it looks like I was quite wrong
Sure they can. “Cardiac arrest” just means that your heart ceases functioning. It’s not the same as a heart attack.
There should be an exit only door in every room. We need more doors, not less. Alternatively we could build a giant moat and a drawbridge if we want to keep the one door idea alive.
It can definitely happen but it is typically a different mechanism than adults. It typically happens with respiratory depression instead of some sort of damage to the heart. The classic example would be a child drowning. Body doesn’t get enough oxygen -> heart rate elevates significantly - > heart stop working. Happens pretty quick on kids because they don’t have a bunch of extra air in their lungs like adults do.
According the Society for Academic Emergency Medicine the 2 most common causes of pediatric cardiac arrest are respiratory failure and shock. I’d imagine the shock was the cause here, but I guess there could have been some respiratory issue. https://www.saem.org/about-saem/aca...peds-em-curriculum/approach-to/cardiac-arrest
Sorry, I mean a second door on an exterior facing wall. ( Would drastically expand the footprint of the building though) Would allow a rapid exit to the outside of the building in case of emergency.
They do exist in some places. My son’s elementary school has these. Every first floor room with an external wall has an exit door on that wall. That’s probably only 1/4 of the rooms in the building because the “ground floor” is mostly underground and interior rooms don’t have them. The school I teach at doesn’t have them because it’s six stories tall.
Thought the same when I first saw the tweet then sadly read the article just to be sure. Thought of my 4 year old daughter at 8 months old when they called a code on her when she first got diagnosed with focal seizures and her oxygen dropped to 19. I know the sight of tons of doctors and rushing in to save or stabilize your child and it is a experience I will never forget.
Guys, I’ve got it. Biometric scanners and accompanying automated target-locking phasers in every room, hall, and closet of all schools. Any time someone pushes the lockdown button, anyone that is not authorized to be there becomes a memory! No pushback, I have seen enough movies to know that this is not only plausible but also the only way. And to be clear, anytime someone pushed the button, all trash in all schools will be taken out.
"Shock" doesn't mean the same here as it does colloquially. It's acute drop in central/visceral perfusion, can be from a number of causes (septic, neurogenic, distributive/anaphylactoid, hypovolemic, etc). Take a look at what VaxRule brought up, Takotsubo cardiomyopathy. That condition, specifically, is more common in adults, but the concept of stress cardiomyopathy of some variety makes some sense in this context. Could also have some underlying congenital abnormality that causes some ectopy. There are a number of plausible ways a highly traumatized 11 year old could go suddenly unconscious and pulseless at her best friend's fucking funeral. Hence why it's more than a little obnoxious when some loutish ignoramus just sharts out "wasn't cardiac arrest" when they don't know even the difference between CA and MI
Why do people lie about stuff like the radios? By discussing his “rationale” for leaving the radios he comes across as an absolute moron. By saying he forgot them, it’s a reasonable mistake (though one he should’ve remedied quickly) in a tense situation.
I’m sure my Tactical Air Control Party buddy who had to fight his way up three stories to a rooftop in Iraq in full battle rattle, with an M4, M9, three extra magazines, two hand grenades, a backpack radio, and a backup handheld radio to direct close air support will be thrilled to know that this guy couldn’t run 100yards down a school hallway cuz the radio would slow him down.
The fuck are you talking about? "The hospital told me, ‘Your daughter’s going into cardiac arrest.’ And I said, ‘What?’” her mom, Jessica Treviño, told People. “Her heart [rate] skyrocketed because she couldn’t take the trauma.”
Putting a combat vet in a sea of highly stressed kids while knowing he's the entire point-of-failure for a massacre, making him what would be the first target of an ambush where he will likely be forced to shoot a child, seems unwise. Granted I dont think we should be recreating pockets of hell in our schools but I'm also not a lunatic with power trading kids' lives for nra contributions so maybe if i saw it from those peoples' perspective, it would make sense
Good post. I wasn’t meaning psychological shock, but I definitely didn’t go into the detail you did. I was assuming it was more likely that the adrenaline that she likely was experiencing was affecting her blood vessels and blood flow and sent her towards physiological shock due to improper blood flow as opposed to a previously unknown respiratory condition. But make no mistake, I’m not a medical professional and not trying to be obnoxious.
You're not being obnoxious. Only reason I go into it is that I think from the outside perspective it's tough to make sense of how emotional distress can translate physiologically to an acute cardiac event. But it happens all the time. PICUs don't sensationalize