caught most of TLJ on tv today. first time seeing it in a long while. it's even better than i remembered.
All good points, but when everything is so subtle, that you need a Twitter thread to explain everything cool about the movie, it kind of fails to hit home. It also still doesn’t satisfy that people didn’t like Luke’s arc whether they can explain it or not.
I don't think any of what he did was even that subtle,the Luke arc was fantastic, nerds just wanted him to be the hero.
I mean if you want him to be the hero fine but Abrams wrote Johnson into a box with Luke exiling himself and I found Rian's explanation to be good. More on Abrams than anything
I put it on whoever decided to not have a layout for a story to begin with. So poorly planned it was doomed from the start.
Motherfucker took on the whole first order and defeated Kylo using the force for knowledge and defense, never for attack. Sorry he didn't do fifty needless CG summersaults and have a distractingly long and choreographed lightsaber fight.
I really don't have a problem with how Like was handled in that film but it had plenty of other problems regardless. But JJ definitely wrote them into a corner with Luke and that was damn near the only logical thing you could do with him at that point.
the whole trilogy was a mess. I'm completely fine with how TLJ handled Luke, but it had its own issues outside of that. that said, TLJ is practically The Godfather in comparison to RoS so I understand fans taking RJ's side. just a shame the whole three movies felt like two writer/directors bickering back and forth with each other on screen.
Johnson definitely had the better hold on what traditional Star Wars was and on how to try to advance the story some. The ending of TLJ literally set up the franchise to continue telling stories in the future of people inspired by what the heroes had done. I wasn't a fan of some of his characters. But I would have been really interested to see what his 3rd movie would have been. JJ was literally throwing shit against the wall. He was successful in TFA from my perspective. And an utter failure in RoS. But his success in TFA is marred by how his set up (or lack of one) ruined the trilogy in the end.
No argument whatsoever. Couldn't agree more. I was actually fine with this scene and thought it was cool as shit. It was more everything leading up to it for me. Broken man, lost his way, finds his way back to the force and boom, death. It wasn't enough Luke for me. I thought most of the decisions made in TLJ were fine based on the corner JJ put him in, but I can still not like Luke's Arc. To me it comes off similar to the end of game of thrones. You can set it up and it can make all the sense in the world according to the bread crumbs you dropped along the way, but if the majority of the fanbase rejects it, you didn't do it right. The entire new trilogy was a comedy of errors, sure we can find some individual moments of greatness in there, but as a whole, it left me disappointed to the point where I haven't even felt the need to go back and re-watch any of the three again. I spent more time watching the teaser trailer for TFA then I did the movies themselves. The redeemed hero arc would have been fine IMO if he lived and RoS gave us Jedi Master Skywalker like we saw in the books. But that's just my opinion.
Did the majority of the fans reject it or did the ones that did just never shut up and were the loudest?
I think that's probably impossible to quantify. But there are reasons the movie franchise seems to be dead right now.
This. 75% of this thread would be celebrating if Kathleen Kennedy was fired based on the decisions that have been made with this franchise, specifically the movies but here still arguing the degrees of crap the new trilogy movies were. Nobody said that. RoS is arguably the worst damn movie in the entire franchise. You can think that TLJ was a flawed movie while still thinking it was the least shitty of a really bad trilogy
No. RoS is what has seemingly killed it for a while. RoS is a result of shit planning for the whole trilogy, including the bumbling of what to do with Luke and understanding what people really wanted which is not glorified cameos for him in two of the movies. He didn't have to be superman god Jedi or whatever. His presence is sorely missed throughout, though.
Fuck it. I'm excited by Andor. Thought it was gonna be meh, didn't need more Diego Luna, but yeah, this looks like its got real potential.
I definitely put it on Kathleen Kennedy and honestly don't understand how she still has a job. If I was as bad at my job as she is at hers I would be unemployed.
Can we rename this thread? Lose the canon and have it be a general Star Wars thread since there isn’t another. If there is then it’s not appearing in the search function. Anyway.. Have to wait even longer for the return of the goat.
By that logic then you shouldn’t have watched any of the latest movies, The Mandalorian, Boba, Obi, etc. Cuz why do you need new content when you can just stick with the original? KOTOR is one of my (and millions of others) favorites games ever. Of course fans would be excited to have a new take on it with 20 years of graphics advancements and a fresh storyline. Silly to think otherwise.
A more applicable comparison probably would’ve been “Why do we need The Force Awakens when it’s just a copy of A New Hope”
Regardless it’s Star Wars. They could tell us they’re just flat out remaking the same movie just with updated tech, and we all would go see it no matter what. People would bitch and complain which comes with the territory, but they would watch it anyway.
I don’t think he was complaining about a new KOTOR story. I think he was saying updated graphics for the old game isn’t really moving the needle. And that doesn’t seem unreasonable.
for YEARS everyone said they needed to do this with goldeneye. They eventually did for the Wii. Nobody bought it. Straight remakes with better graphics don't sell. A Zelda type sequel (same characters, new story) though has unlimited potential.
Understandable. But they go hand-in-hand. You don’t get a new story without it being done in modern graphics. And I maintain that KOTOR is the one game that would move the needle. Being able to design your own Sith Lord in modern graphics is worth the price on its own for me (and I assume many others). A new story to go with it is just icing on the cake.
Well it was for the Wii so that explains the lack of success. No one is playing shooters on the Wii. No one is really playing anything on the Wii. Put Goldeneye on PlayStation or Xbox and it would do very well. But I’m with you on the bolded tho.
TRoS made over a billion dollars. It didn't kill the movie franchise. They're just struggling to get a good stories and directors in place due to what made TRoS bad - shit leadership at Lucasfilm. And what director wants to dive into the pit of childish, belligerent assholes that is Star Wars fans?
From my understanding they are doing a REMAKE. Same game, just updated graphics, and after 20 yrs probably new voice actors too. That's not appealing to me. A whole new KotOR game is what everyone wants, absolutely but a remake is not that.
Don’t think you or I can speak for everyone. But I’d be cool with just a remake and would def buy it. You wouldn’t. So agree to disagree on this one.
There’s a lot of idiotic shit said in this thread, I’m sure I’ve done plenty. But this may be the dumbest. Wii sold significantly more units than Xbox 360 or PS3
I don’t think that’s what he meant but I also thought that updated goldeneye was on other systems too?
I’m not sure how else one should take “No one is playing shooters on the Wii. No one is really playing anything on the wii”
I don't want to litigate the Wii, but I wonder how many Wii were bought by parents and grandparents and never got used. We gave 1 away when we moved, because we never used it, and still have 2 from the shit shuffle hand downs by grandparents that never get used.
Fair enough. That was def an exaggeration. But I meant like legit gamers. Which I understand there’s prob plenty of those that still like the Wii. But when I think of the Wii, I think of little kids and their parents. Which naturally would mean they sell plenty of units. Like how Disney movies will likely always outsell any legit Oscar-winning titles. But I’ll def take back the “no one is playing anything on the Wii” statement. Sticking with the no one is playing shooters on it tho.
I mean I played a ton of Mario party, kart, wii bowling ect in college I think they mostly got used but they had a relatively short life span
According to this article, sales numbers on the Wii pushed Call of Duty: World at War above Call of Duty 4 despite it selling 400K less units on Xbox than its predecessor https://www.engadget.com/2009-02-17...exBkKwPZFWfztfBQ-Y3xYV6XqxUKjKRz7suty6zUgJ-gZ
I’d be curious the age range of those buying it. Like it’s the little boys graduating from Wii Sports to COD before moving on to a different console. Could be wrong. Well I can say that I don’t know a single person that plays COD or any other shooter on the Wii. So just basing my opinions on my own experience.