Better Call Saul thread

Discussion in 'TV Board' started by Sterling A, Apr 8, 2015.

  1. bro

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  2. bro

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    did you guys take the "my NM bar card doesn't have an expiration date" to mean she is going to get back into practicing law, or that she realized she could use it to fool the prison into letting her in as an attorney even though she wasn't an attorney anymore? I imagine the latter, since the bar card has nothing to do with her ability to practice. Although obviously, Kim seemed to be back to herself and might get her life on track and practice again in the future.
     
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    also, I wonder what the significance of the finger guns was at the end, beyond just a call back. and Kim seeing it, turning like she did at the season 5 finale, but then turning back forward. seems like some symbolizing I am too dumb to get.

    that scene in the jail house attorney's visitation room was truly amazing.
     
  4. bryix

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    with as many toothbrushing scenes as this show had, it would have been an acceptable ending. hoisted by his own petard.
     
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    I doubt that after admitting to playing a part in the death of a fellow attorney the NM bar was going to re-admit her.
     
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    indeed. But I've seen people taking it wrong.
     
  7. Shiggityshwo

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    think the scene with Kim volunteering at the social services place right before the news of Saul getting arrested made its way to her points to her going down that route instead of getting back into practicing, and it'd make sense given how she preferred to spend her time as a lawyer
     
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    you could tell she was licking her lips looking at all those unkempt files
     
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  10. racer

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    I wonder if she went back to that free clinic and if she told the lady her full legal background.
     
  11. C A N E

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    During the flashback with Walt I forgot the watch he stared at was given to him by Jesse. Guess he regretted giving Jesse to the nazis
     
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  12. Henry Blake

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    The latter. To me, it showed that she will always have a mischievous side, but that she can make a good path for herself going forward.
     
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  13. Shiggityshwo

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    I'll say I do wish they'd snuck in some little proof of Howard's name being restored at the end beyond just Kim saying she planned to fix that

    wild how they were able to turn Howard into a hero of sorts, going through the rewatch during the break after he'd just been killed off put him in a completely different light for me
     
  14. DrTomOsbourne

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    I thought it was a call back to Walt always wanting more time. Like his one speech about wishing he hit more red lights with his family on the way to doctor appointments just so he could have more time with them. Seemed to be a common WW thing before he got too power hungry.
     
  15. laxjoe

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    Finally able to watch. I loved it
     
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  17. laxjoe

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    Did they show the special message from the cast and crew for everyone or was that an amc+ only thing? I hope everyone got to see that
     
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  18. Jean-Ralphio

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    the prison he created in Nebraska with no Kim was worse than the actual prison with Kim. Shes the only thing he wants.
     
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    I saw it on regular TV
     
  20. laxjoe

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    That’s what I figured since the end credits came after, but wasn’t sure
     
  21. TAS

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    Feeling a bit queasy watching Saul worm his way into a light prison sentence and then immediately feeling heartbroken as he threw it all away with his full admission really spoke to how well the writers and Bob painted a complete portrait of a loveable, broken human
     
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    Imagine a world where badger wasn’t a (loveable) moron.
    Does Kim ever come back?
     
  23. Jean-Ralphio

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    I cant for the life of me understand people who didnt love this finale. the last 3-4 minutes was so incredible. it reunited Kim and Jimmy and it ended it forever. I think they absolutely killed it.
     
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  24. Henry Blake

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    The whole cast is so likable. The Talking Saul from last week and the award speeches posted upthread were great. Esp Bob and Rhea. They just seem so real and humble.
     
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    last week's episode with Kim's shell of a life coming to light left me feeling deflated, the finale rightfully tied everything up and has me still buzzing
     
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    You only hear absolutely amazing things about bob odenkirk for years. and rhea seahorn since she’s become a star is the same way. Seems like the whole cast and crew are the same, like you said.
     
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    gonna be great when they win in September at the Emmy's.

    wonder if she is gonna stay with the "YEP" guy :laugh:
     
  28. bro

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    wonder what Rhea does going forward. Has really only done TV.
     
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  29. laxjoe

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    The lunch scene (and all the Florida scenes for Kim) were so depressing.
    “You and (yep guy) went there before. How was it?”
    “It was…yah…it was…fine, I guess?”
    “Do you think he liked it?”
    “Maybe”

    So glad to see her escape that self imposed prison and move on with her life
     
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  30. joey jo-jo jr shabadoo

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    hes all good and she can move forward with her life
     
  31. racer

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    I like the little connection between Marie being a small time amateur scam artist and Kim and Jimmy.
     
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  34. laxjoe

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    Did people not like it?
     
  35. racer

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    Vol 1 & 2 have been my work focus music lately.


     
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  36. Jean-Ralphio

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    theres been at least a handful in this thread who are like meh.
     
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  37. Jean-Ralphio

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    Stole this from reddit but it sums it up great:

    The whole series is essentially about Jimmy's search for that validation/respect from someone, starting with Chuck. But, Chuck looked down on Jimmy his whole life. Then, throughout the series, everyone sees Jimmy/Saul as a snake. For example, Mike and Walt looked down on Jimmy--a point driven home by Mike saying "it's all about money to you" (paraphrasing), and Walt going so far as to say he'd never hire Saul to help him with Gray Matter and that Saul was "always like this"--as well as his colleagues (e.g., everyone at the courthouse shunning him because of his complicity in helping Lalo skip bail thing, Francesca despising him, etc.).

    The only person who ever saw the good in Jimmy was Kim. But, as Jimmy transformed into Saul, it became harder and harder for Kim to do so. Eventually, her respect for him comes to an end too, culminating with Jimmy going "full Saul" during the divorce paper signing, and Kim telling Jesse that she essentially doesn't even know him any more.

    In the finale, Jimmy/Saul is given a choice between Jimmy and Saul. Choosing Saul would've meant taking a sweetheart plea deal. But, if he chose Saul, he'd always be Saul; Jimmy would be gone for good. Jimmy would never never have any chance of getting the validation/respect he always wanted from Kim or anyone else.

    Choosing Jimmy, on the other hand, means that Jimmy's going to spend his life in prison. But, with "Saul gone" for good, Jimmy finally has the respect of at least one person. And that's really all he ever wanted.

    "Only need one juror". Kim is that one juror.
     
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  38. Drown ‘Em

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    My same complaint with BB’s ending happened here in BCS. These characters were bad people who made bad decisions and didn’t deserve happy endings, yet they got the happiest endings they could, circumstances considered. I felt the story also was written simply to get the throwback visuals/ parallels that I admit are great, but to me took the story to happy endings that again I don’t think the characters deserved. And I thought they completely cheapened the Kim crying scene from the week before, which to me sucks because it was such a powerful scene.

    With that said, I would recommend to anyone to watch the show, just like BB. While I don’t like the happy endings for bad people, neither screwed up the show like GoT, which I would tell people not to waste their time watching.
     
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    That’s a totally reasonable response to the show. Funny enough, I felt that way about BB, but not necessarily about BCS. But I can certainly understand that. I know I works have been very disappointed if he has gotten the 7 year sentence
     
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    Part of the happy ending to me was that he was even able to bargain down to 7 years to begin with, and really only because a prosecutor is afraid of losing his perfect conviction rate. I felt that was too easy and let Saul look like he was still in control of the situation and he only was held accountable because he chose to do so. It brought back the same kind of feelings I had about Walt being able to bleed out and die believing he'd secured the trust for Jr, gotten back at the nazis, and freed Jesse from the hell in which Walt had basically led Jesse to suffer.
     
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  41. SugarShaun

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    Call me crazy but I don’t think an 86 year sentence or dying are happy endings
     
  42. Drown ‘Em

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    You're not crazy, but I said happiest, circumstances considered.

    Walt was going to die soon anyways and he at least was able to believe that he'd accomplished his goal of providing money for his family as he took his last breath. Sure, there's reason to believe that after his death that the plan falls apart and that the trust isn't set up for Jr., but he got to die believing he'd accomplished his goal and that's a happy ending for him.

    Again, by lying about Kim to get her to attend his plea hearing just so he can make some grand gesture to her and win back her favor, and then having them reconnect in a manner which leaves open the possibility of his conscience feeling better and likely gives him the validation he's always desired is a happy ending for him.
     
  43. bro

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    I, for one, am happy Jimmy got some peace after we've spent 10 years with him and learned about his life before becoming Better Call Saul where he was a likable, nice, yet tortured individual.
     
  44. Drown ‘Em

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    Perfectly acceptable. I'm not trying to diminish the ending for others. I just was disappointed.
     
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  45. laxjoe

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    Kind of amazing that no one died after episode 8
     
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  46. bro

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    pretty much that episode set breaking bad into motion. and Gene couldn't kill anyone or have anyone killed without getting caught but the Feds. Makes sense. But yeah, it was hard brake.
     
  47. Tex

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    I loved how the cigarette ash was the only color in that final scene between Jimmy and Kim. Might have been the only color in the black/white scenes in this episode?
     
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    Ya, was a nice touch. cool purposeful decision to make.
     
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  49. Corch

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    Seeing Kim as a lifeless suburban corporate cog in a wheel was as depressing as it gets. I'm glad they were suggestive that she's getting back into law in some way.

    I'm sad because we don't get any more from such rich, well written characters but I'm excited to see what Vince does outside the BB universe.
     
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    I believe in Vince and Gould, but people rarely make a 2nd great show (outside of a sequel). Mad Men creator's next show flopped. I guess David Simon has made some new hits for HBO, with the most recent one returning to Baltimore. We shall see. fingers crossed
     
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