NIN won some award for best performance for Happiness in Slavery there. I’ve seen people break guitars but I’ve never seen a keyboard get mutilated before
Couldnt sleep last saturday night so blew through this. My biggest takeaway was the promoters of 99 had no fucking idea what they were getting themselves into. Lang bamboozled all of them into thinking it would be like 69, but everyone would make a dollar in the process. Corporate greed played a role but holy shit what did they think was going to happen when you go Limp Bizkit, Rage Against the Machine, and then Metallica back to back to back. They wanted to blame Fred Durst so badly, and he is an asshole, but its like asking a tiger not to bite the audience if you let it out of its cage. Also, having it on an old military base was so fucking shortsighted because Lang and the other dude were so damn concerned about losing a dollar. I was 14 at the time but remember MTV broadcasting almost every hour from Woodstock. Truthfully MTV at that time covered the trash issues, "the mud people", and the dangerous conditions about as well as MTV could. Would love to see another Woodstock but with corporate greed even higher now than before the stages would be ablaze and people would leave after 1 night if they tried to pull the same shenanigans on the crowd like they did in 99.
I found a lot of the Woodstock doc to be pretty one sided like most docs. They talk how they wouldn’t let them bring in water, but drugs were ok. They bitch about the pricing of water, but that’s the same at every sporting event, concert, etc. They complained there was a 20 min wait to get the free water like that is any different at most concession lines at sporting events or concerts. And don’t get me started at the girl that was FOURTEEN that went to it and they interviewed throughout only to see her footage at the end that said she would do it all over again. yes, the promoters fucked a lot of shit up. Yes, they needed more security. Biggest mistake they made though was in the bands they invited. Nu metals was the fucking worst.
He tried to have the 50th anniversary back in 2019 but cancelled it like a month before. Lineup was really good.
Most sporting events and concerts don't go on for several days where that's your only access to water
Yeah they had a guy on there that was testing the water in the documentary. A girl got trench mouth. All of this was in the documentary.
Woodstock 99 has been universally criticized for 20 years for the same things. It’s not like these docs are creating new narratives or only portraying one side. There’s no sugarcoating the shortcomings of the event in the hopes of making a few more dollars.
Yeah, it would be great to see another attempt done right, but I think music festivals have grown so much coast to coast since 99, that fans can still get the experience. The names Bonaroo and Coachella don't have the same mystique as "Woodstock" but the lineups have reached and maybe surpassed the Woodstock sequals. There are also so many regional and local festivals now, that while it would be great to try again, it's pretty easy for just about anybody to get the experience.
There's a HUGE difference between $4 water bottles for 30,000- 80,000 people four hours versus for 250,000 for three full days. Plus, they not only took away water at the gates, they took away the containers people could use to fill with free water...which became a whole other issue as already noted. The reason it was one-sided is because the promoters cheated out in the name of profit.
They interviewed the promoter and the founder and their excuses were awful, what other sides do we need to hear?
Nice that the promoter learned his lesson from the first documentary where he blamed women for the mass sexual assault that occurred at his festival and rolled with the same line again
They wanted an air base because they could wall it off to make as much money as possible. Then they asked them about the exorbitant price of everything and they said some bullshit like they contracted out the food and water and had no control over the prices. They still took no blame 20+ years later.
The guy saying « hey, it’s like a small city of 250k so rapes will happen, there is nothing we could’ve done » was the worst. How about having decent security dumbass
I died at him saying "if it were a city of 250k I think about the same number of rapes would have happened."
Lang was a known narcissist/sociopath. He was the epitome of the South Park sniffing your own farts meme. He lucked into lightning in a bottle with the original Woodstock and thought he was god’s gift to concert promotion. IIRC he had as many or more failures as he did successes (see: the calamity that was Woodstock 2019).
What did these idiots think was going to happen with the bands they brought in? How do you not go out and get Phish, DMB, Dispatch type bands to make it a hippie fest like 69?
They went with TRL minus the boy bands. They went for the money. Everyone was on that shit in the late 90’s. Phish and DMB wasn’t bringing what they’re getting from the nu metal acts. Kid Rock was a huge headliner
Fair but Phish had 80k come to see them at fucking Big Cypress in the middle of nowhere in ‘99 Get The Other Ones, Phish, Allman Brothers, Moe… whoever else I get it ended up being an MTV cash grab - just thinking out loud
Lol this is also true I mean even with the ‘failure’ of the festival, that dude is living in a sick ass mansion so he still got his pay day
Not to be that guy (or maybe TO be that guy) but I know the festival industry so what well and Woodstock 99 is an outlandish abomination from pretty much every angle. It was a particular time when culture and nostalgia crossed paths and things went very wrong.
moe, String Cheese and few other hippie bands did play Woodstock 99. However, the ticket buyers and crowds weren’t their usual audience. The draw was for 90s top rated acts which some was aggressive music like Limp B, Kid Rock, etc. Massive headliners at that time
follow up to this, you can watch the videos of String Cheese, moe and Strangefolk from Woodstock 99 on YouTube. You could tell it wasn’t their crowd. Some folks were moshing to them.
You guys are really bringing out some 90s nostalgia with these B level jam bands. I saw moe. probably 100 times between ‘98 and ‘03. The late 90s Colorado scene (Keller, Leftover Salmon, Yonder Mountain, etc) was so awesome. SCI was always the worst.
I haven't seen the doc yet, but I have heard it seems to make a lot of the violence that took place. I don't remember seeing anything, but I left a few hours early. My buddies stayed and had to walk into the town of Rome and wait 10 hours at a Denny's that was closed (ran out of food) for his mom to pick him up. It is true that everything was crazy overpriced. I think a 6 inch Subway sub was like $12 bucks (we are talking 23 years ago). It got expensive. We slept in the movie theatre, a converted hangar, on some old pizza boxes. It was cooler in there and not as disgusting. The Limp Bizkit/RATM/Metallica Saturday night was pretty intense. By the Metallica encore, my buddy and I were so close to the stage we were getting hit by the hose that security was using to cool people down. No real crazy stories though.
First actual one I went to was 311 when I was 17. Incubus opened for them and this would have been right when Make Yourself came out because they all still had dread. It was awesome. I still have the bottle opener on my keychain I got there for signing up for something but I used a fake name and number.
people sticking up for the rich guys will never make sense to me. Everyone in power there made it clear it was all about profit over people. They constantly lied about “a few bad apples” they down played the violence against women, downplayed the price gouging, didn’t care about the atrocious unsanitary conditions. The frat boy mentality was fucked up but they made it worse with the lack of infrastructure. Proper security and sanitary conditions would have gone a long way to fix a lot of what happened.
Just getting around to it, and just wrapping up the first episode. I feel awful for him. This article brings up a good point, and that is how much confidence he lost through the whole scandal. This quite literally could have made him a far worse NFL player than he could have been. https://sports.yahoo.com/a-decade-l...turned-into-the-butt-of-a-joke-182354889.html People are sticking up for the rich guy, Te'o in this doc I'm watching.