Global Warming Debunked Again

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  1. Prospector

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  2. a.tramp

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  3. Arliden

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    For the Bay Area it will be impactful in terms of localized flooding and wind. It’s not unheard of for the region, like a once every decade type deal, just hasn’t happened recently with the drought. Last real memorable one was probably the late 90’s 96/97 or so.

    California has a long history of flooding that people probably don’t think of when they think about the state. Currently though we are getting just blasted with storm after storm every 3-4 days from the South Pacific jet stream. Grounds pretty saturated and will probably lead to continued bad flooding, but nothing that’s as scary as like 2016 when Orville dam almost failed. Areas south of Sacramento will flood pretty badly again today as some levees have failed. That in addition to the local rivers around that area are fed from a watershed in the mountains that recently had the Caldor fire and with these high precipitation rates in short time frames it’s just shedding off the mountain.
     
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    This video didn't go where I was thinking it would. Really interesting to see how the rainfall has been moving east over the last few decades.
     
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    so that had some good winds, we’ve been out of power for 3 days, heard the transformer blow right before the power went out.

    On tap Mon/Tuesday is some serious rainfall which could lead to extensive flooding across the state.

     
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    You wouldn't want to live where it floods all the time.
    Or where the bushfires come in
     
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  12. Prospector

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    from a Red Cross email that was forwarded to me:
    Over the past 99 days (since November 1, 2022), we've initiated 82 separate Disaster Relief Operations (DROs), including two Level 5s, three Level 4s, and ten Level 3s. In the same window, we also executed and completed the 4-month Level 7 response phase for Hurricane Ian (remember that one?), which made landfall on Cayo Costa, Florida on September 28, 2022, as Category 4 hurricane with sustained winds of 150 MPH.

    I've written to you before about the phenomenon we call "acute-to-chronic," which describes how the frequency of big disasters has changed so dramatically in the United States over the past 40 years. You all know the story, by now: in the 1980s we had an average of three "billion-dollar disasters" each year, while over the past five years we've averaged 18 "billion-dollar disasters" each year: a 6-fold increase. Below is a map of the 18 billion-dollar weather and climate disasters we had in 2022.

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    In the past, the 99 days between the beginning of November and the beginning of February were not filled with Level 5s and 4s (or even Level 3s). No, this time used to be a tame 3 months. By comparison, if I was writing to you about the same window from 2014-2015, we initiated 30 DROs—a 3rd of what we initiated over the past 99 days—and not a single one above a Level 3. To put a finer point on it: over the past 11 years, we've initiated 21 Level 4-7 DROs in the November-January window and 13 of those (or 62%) happened in the past 5 years, including all of the 5s, 6s, and 7s. What's this data telling us? It tells us that we're now running major operations continuously throughout the calendar year without a break. It tells us that "acute" has indeed become "chronic."
     
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    Didn't know where to put this, but Vogtle 3 (new nuclear plant in Georgia) reached criticality today.
     
  14. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Something like 5 years late, but at least they're going to continue finishing the project (though they're pushing much of the cost onto the consumer). I believe it should literally double the capacity for the plant as they're adding two new reactors.
     
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    Was watching the weather yesterday and we had the potential to set a new record high for March 6. The previous record high was set... last year.
     
  16. 40wwttamgib

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    was 73 and sunny in SW Ohio, and you could literally feel the temperature jump right off a cliff last night. currently below 40
     
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    California might just wash away

     
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    Been a great year for combating the drought all across the state very happy.

    Still a wide range of outcomes next week and the while there is a higher risk of flooding, that Twitter handle is a 18 year old kid from UC Davis that tends to be a little more sensationalized about the weather.



     
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  20. IV

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    Something something manning equations
     
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    the chatch still underrated as one of the worst people to ever post on this here site
     
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  23. timo

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    debunked again
     
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    When I worked for NPS down there we used to have to drive under some of the condemned hi houses to get up the beach. Believe those washed into the ocean a few years ago.
     
  25. timo

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    I love Hatteras (the National Park, not so much the shitty developments) -- it's a special place -- and it saddens me that might not be there in a generation or two.
     
  26. Prospector

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  27. beerme

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    it’s about time you Australians get to work restoring the heart of Te Fiti
     
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    and the fact that he still lurks, likes posts, but doesn't post anything is such a bitch move

    Dude is soft as baby shit
     
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  32. Gizmoandsooz

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    You guys need a Greens Party to vote for in your country because you lot have no idea on what global warming actually is.
     
  33. Deep dirt

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    What is it, actually?
     
  34. Gizmoandsooz

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    It's the whole planet's surface warming up.
    For example you want to know why we get so many floods and fires and earthquakes.
    Fires: means that the sun's too hot for the soil to handle and things catch on fire.

    Floods: means that you get a lot of rainfall that is so strong that the soil in the ground can't absorb it all.

    Earthquakes: means that the soil is too hard and it can break open at any time.

    You should know what EPA is by now.
    It's what your air is like where you live.
    It can be smoggy just like some parts of India are full of smog.
    Factories causing fog in the air by using smokers.

    None of that is any good for you.
     
  35. Deep dirt

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    Yea everyone knows all of that. Except the Earthquake bit, that’s simply not true. Republicans are at fault for where we stand as a country WRT the environment please do not lump all of us in with them.
     
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    Also the Green Party in the United States is a Putin operation to siphon off votes from Dems.
     
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  38. BWC

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  39. cutig

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    Lol what the fuck is this earthquake shit
     
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  40. Deep dirt

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    I’ve never in all my inter-netting years seen anything like that shit. Must be an Aussie conspiracy thing
     
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  41. Prospector

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    Wwweeellllll one of this bunch of Australian immigrants thinks alcohol isn't a drug and isn't a depressant so....
     
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  42. MORBO!

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    I guess my theory that earthquakes are the result of Donald's McDonalds shits has been disproven. Damn.
     
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  44. timo

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    I don't know if anyone was following Cyclone Freddy, but it was a really incredible storm (and quite destructive and deadly as there was already a cholera outbreak from a previous storm in one of the poorest regions on earth - Malawi and Mozambique)

    Look at this pathway. Started in N of Australia, drifted east and then turned due W strengthening into a massive Cat 5 storm. Wrecked Madigascar, went ashore in Mozambique, dumped epic amounts of rain in Malawi, turned east, redeveloped in the Mozambique channel, turned NW again and game ashore in Mozambique again, dumping more biblical amounts of rain.

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  45. infected donkey

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    How a Texas abortion law could spur N.Y. climate lawsuits
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    How a Texas abortion law could spur N.Y. climate lawsuits

    By Lesley Clark
    04/05/2023 06:36 AM EDT

    A Texas law that allows private citizens to sue abortion providers has paved the way for legislation in New York that would empower state residents to sue the fossil fuel industry for the ravages of climate change.

    The New York bill was introduced by state Sen. Zellnor Myrie, a Democrat who opposes the Texas anti-abortion law.

    But Myrie contends that if the legal theory behind the Texas law has been upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court’s “super-conservative majority,” it can also be wielded to give private individuals the opportunity to target oil and gas companies for spewing greenhouse gases that have forced communities to contend with rising seas and natural disasters fueled by climate change.

    “If we know with certainty that our time is short to save our planet, why aren't we taking every shot to save it that we can?” Myrie asked. “Why not use every avenue? Why not use every tool?”

    The 2021 Texas law bars abortions after about six weeks and gives private citizens, rather than state officials, the power to enforce the law by suing individuals and providers who terminate pregnancies. The Supreme Court in December 2021 declined to block the Texas measure, even as critics warned that the law's “private right of action” could be wielded by other states to target activity they oppose.

    That’s already happened: As of Jan. 1, anyone in California can sue those who violate state laws against the manufacture, distribution or sale of assault weapons or kits that create firearms without serial numbers. Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) announced his intent to pursue the gun control legislation the day after the Supreme Court allowed the Texas abortion law to stand.

    Taking that lead, Myrie’s bill would create legal standing for an individual to pursue a climate lawsuit against an oil and gas company. It states that “any person, firm, corporation, or association that has been damaged as a result of a fossil fuel industry member's acts or omissions … shall be entitled to bring an action for recovery of damages.”

    The legislation also would expand New York's business laws to include "climate negligence," which Myrie defines as any act by the fossil fuel industry that “knowingly or recklessly endangers the health or safety of the public.” The bill also would prohibit deceptive and false advertising, which many local governments have cited in climate liability lawsuits against the industry.

    Myrie said Texas legislators had hoped that the threat of an individual being empowered to sue would decrease the likelihood of abortions and suggested his climate legislation could have a similarly chilling effect on the fossil fuel industry's activities.

    “We might be in a similar situation here where the prospect of litigation is something that they will have to contend with,” Myrie said of the oil and gas companies. “They may say this is the cost of doing business, but my hope is that they would have a moment of introspection and say, ‘Hey we’ve had these record profits, but public sentiment is turning. ... Maybe we should stop being deceptive and start engaging in a real and genuine way to see what can be done to mitigate the crisis.’”

    New York Democrats have supermajorities in both chambers, and Myrie's legislation has attracted an influential House sponsor, Assemblymember Michaelle Solages (D), who chairs the state’s Black, Puerto Rican, Hispanic and Asian legislative caucus.

    It has also attracted strong opposition from industry groups and the Lawsuit Reform Alliance of New York, a coalition of business leaders and taxpayers.

    “We refer to this as the ‘sue for the weather bill,’“ said Tom Stebbins, the group’s executive director. “It just seems like it will lead to an explosion of litigation.”

    In a memo to lawmakers expressing its opposition to Myrie's bill, the group argued that “thoughtful legislation and collaboration are more effective in developing long-term solutions toward mitigating climate change.”

    Stebbins also noted that an attempt by New York City to sue five fossil fuel firms over their contributions to climate change was rejected in 2021 by a federal appeals court.

    “Now sending that to the private sector where profit-seeking attorneys can file cases for their own pockets does not seem to make sense, and it’s not how we’re going to fight climate change,” he said.

    Rachel Rothschild, an assistant professor at the University of Michigan Law School, questioned whether Myrie's legislation, if enacted, would run afoul of the 2021 ruling by the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which found that New York City's climate claims against the oil and gas companies were preempted by the federal Clean Air Act.

    “The first question in my mind is whether the bill would be viable given the 2nd Circuit decision,” Rothschild said, noting that she disagrees with the opinion in the case. “It’s not clear to me how this law would get around that, how it would survive a challenge on similar grounds."

    'A wedge into that courthouse door'
    Myrie's proposal comes as local governments from Hawaii to Delaware are suing the oil and gas industry to help foot the costs of responding to eroding coasts, raging wildfires and other effects of a warming planet.

    But the climate liability lawsuits — which could ultimately cost Exxon Mobil Corp., BP PLC and other firms hundreds of billions of dollars — have been stymied by efforts by oil industry attorneys to move the cases from state to federal court, where companies believe the challenges are more likely to fail. The Supreme Court may soon weigh in once again on the procedural fight.

    Myrie said his legislation seeks to prevent the industry from transferring private citizens' climate lawsuits to federal court. Instead, the cases would be heard before New York courts, which Myrie said are well-versed in the state’s negligence, public nuisance and consumer protection laws.

    “I would hope that the industry is aware enough that we’re going to continue to act on climate,” Myrie said. His legislation was introduced in December for the state’s six-month legislative session, which began in January. “You can either be constantly on the other side, or you can figure out how to be part of the solution.”

    Phil Goldberg, special counsel for the Manufacturers’ Accountability Project, an initiative of the National Association of Manufacturers that opposes the climate liability lawsuits from local governments, said the fact that New York lawmakers believe there is a need to authorize litigation "underscores why suing energy producers for climate change is not viable under current law."

    He said it is "time to move on from this litigation side show and focus on policies that can make a meaningful difference in the fight against climate change."

    Myrie's legislation has not yet been heard in committee, but Solages’ participation signals there is interest on behalf of communities that have been most vulnerable to the effects of global warming, said Eleanor Stein, who teaches climate change and human rights at the State University of New York at Albany.

    Stein said Myrie's proposal “falls in line” with the state’s ambitious 2019 Climate Leadership and Community Protection Act, which pledged to give disadvantaged communities at least 35 percent of the benefits of clean energy and energy efficiency spending. Those communities are most likely to be affected by climate change, she said.

    “It’s really a way to create a right of action for individuals or community organizations to file lawsuits to get relief from climate impacts,” Stein said of Myrie’s legislation. “They’d have to show they were substantially harmed by climate change, which is a high bar. But it gives you a claim that you could make under state law, which I think is an important opportunity.”

    Litigants launching climate lawsuits against oil and gas companies would still “have a huge mountain to climb, to show injury, to show causation,” Stein said. “But it’s a wedge into that courthouse door.”
     
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    I love to see this above and then followed up with continued German idiocy

     
  47. Arliden

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    Always interesting to see the day by day comparisons of countries electrical grids, but France is always one of the lowest day in and day out with 65%+/- being nuclear.



    Lucky hydro Nordic countries




     
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    I know it's been explained ad-nauseum, but how did Germany go from leading much of the world on embracing nuclear then backtracking so fast? Just the scary fact that a meltdown has an extremely small chance of occurring?