Season 5 - The night is dark and full of Spoilers [book readers thread]

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  1. RoyalShocker

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    Caesar and Antony are so perfectly cast on that show it's ridiculous. Antony might be the best casting of all time outside of Hagrid in Harry Potter. He is everything and more than I could have ever wanted.

    Pullo is a fantastic character... Vorenus too aside from some shit that annoyed me...
     
  2. Sir Phobos

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    Rome was a ridiculously good show.
     
  3. Ace Boogie

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    Yeah I just rewatched it for probably the 5th time a few months back.
     
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  4. Pharoh

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    I still cant see them doing gruesome shit to Sansa. Maybe Ramsey punishes her for refusing sex before the marriage by flaying his girlfriend in front of her or some shit. And then down the line it starts leading to her facing some gruesome shit before Theon saves her.
     
  5. Pharoh

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    I thought the R + L = J stuff was awesome to see in the show. Told my friend who hasnt read any books that the conversation with Littlefinger in Sansa would mean a lot in the future and there is no way he could figure it out. Basically told him everything short of Lyanna having a baby and there is no way Jon Stark came to mind.
     
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  6. Jesse Palmer

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    In other news, the next episode is titled after my second favorite line in the books:

    "Kill the boy"

    First favorite is Euron's,

    "Perhaps we can fly. All of us. How will we ever know unless we leap from some tall tower? No man ever truly knows what he can do unless he dares to leap"
     
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  7. Dillingham

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    Bran can't, that's for sure.
     
  8. OHW

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    He could sort of pull himself to the edge and just roll off though.
     
  9. Celemo

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    :laugh:
     
  10. Cronk

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    they will probably fuck up that quote as well
     
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  11. three stacks

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    wasn't that an internal monologue Jon had when he was about to execute slynt
     
  12. Fancy

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    He was remembering some Maester Aemon said to him back in the dizay
     
  13. zeberdee

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    I'm guessing he's going to have his convo with Aemon this week.

    I wouldn't be surprised if they kill Aemon this week, either. they made a point to show him not doing well last week. I'm sure they will be tweaking Sam's storyline, especially since we don't even have a Dareon character.
     
  14. Verbal Kint

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    that's from hitch

     
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  17. Verbal Kint

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    So I'm still confused about LittleFinger. If part of his plan is truly Stannis' attack on Winterfell, why does Sansa need to be there at all? Why not wait until Stannis wins then have Sansa go there? She could be killed in the fighting, starved during a siege or even used as a hostage during a battle. The only explanation is if he gains something tangible from the Boltons and something he needs immediately otherwise he could have made the marriage arrangement and then simply drug his feet getting there and then used the battle as an obvious reason to not get there. Why does it need to happen now? What can the Boltons possibly do for him between now and the battle with Stannis?
     
  18. Pawpride

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    Because if Stannis fails taking Winterfell, the Boltons will still be wardens of the north and hold Winterfell. If Stannis does prevail, Sansa can say she was captured by the Boltons and forced to marry Ramsay. It's a win win situation for Littlefinger.
     
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  19. zeberdee

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    Littlefinger is exactly the type of person Stannis can't wait to make a head shorter when he gets into power. it's retarded to think those two would ever be allies.

    I'm done thinking about that storyline though. it's just bad writing, but I'm not going to worry about it every week.
     
  20. Pawpride

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    It's also starting to look like Littlefinger has replaced the role of the Manderly's. It wouldn't surprise me if Littlefinger/Sansa's men start killing Frey's and Bolton's inside Winterfell. We have already been given "The north remembers" by one of Sansa's maids. Setting up for the great northern conspiracy.
     
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  21. Super Vegeta

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    Pretty much everyone in the North, outside of the Dreadfort, hates the Boltons. Now Sansa Stark has returned to Winterfell. The North remembers.
     
  22. coffee

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    I mean, that scene was awful, for sure, but she isn't expecting the country to "follow her into war." Her plan is to kill Myrcella and force Dorne into war when the king (Cersei) reacts.
     
  23. Marv

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    That would be awesome, but if Areo kills Bronn Im going to be so mother fucking pissed. My friend spoiled last weeks episode a bit and told me a couple relatively prominent characters died. I was shitting my pants during the fighting scene with Bronn. I dont think I've ever been that nervous watching the show. Especially after he and Jamie had their how would you like to die talk a scene earlier. Sucks to be a showfag again :embarrassed:
     
  24. Celemo

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    Yeah, that whole spiel Roose gave Ramsay about parlaying alliances to achieve more power seemed to foreshadow House Bolton's doom
     
  25. Sir Phobos

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    I said this before but he's going to use Sansa to take the North without an army. He's planted the seed of revenge in her mind already which means Ramsey and Roose will be dead by season's end because that's basically a Chekhov's gun of writing. They've already shown Northerners being behind her which means when Stannis clears Winterfell of Bolton trash he will give it back to the Starks(Sansa) not only because it's the right thing to do and Stannis is all about that but because it will endear the North to him. Sansa naturally bends the knee and Stannis has the North. Stannis rides South, LF slips back out from under his rock and into Sansa's life and probably tries to force a marriage on her so he in turn becomes Warden of the North.
     
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  26. Sir Phobos

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    I'm not sure Bronn comes back alive. There's nowhere left for his character to go and they've had interesting talks of how they want to die and we all know Jaime isn't dying. Unless they had a longstanding plan to reunite Bronn with Tyrion way down the road I could see Bronn dying this season, perhaps to a Sand Snake.

    Between that and LF giving Sansa the "you have the power to seek revenge if you want it" speech it's clear the Boltons will die this season.


    Also, Maisie Williams is one of the actors who I think truly enjoys the series from more than just an acting standpoint.

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  27. coffee

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    That's fantastic.
     
  28. Celemo

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    Arya is easily a top 3 character
     
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  29. Verbal Kint

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    Right but that still isn't a better/safer option than her not being there at all as she can still be used as a bargaining chip for either Stannis or the Boltons after the battle
     
  30. Verbal Kint

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    So why does Sansa have to be present right now for all of that to happen? Unless his plan is to brainwash Sansa into killing Ramsey (which still likely leads to her death), why does she need to already be there for Stannis to make her Warden? And if the Boltons win why can't she marry Ramsey later?
     
  31. UA412

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    And then Winter kills everyone.
     
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  32. Marv

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    Yeah you're probably right and it sucks
     
  33. Celemo

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    it all depends on what Littlefinger knows...and I wouldn't be shocked if he's hedging his bets. Stannis wins and Lf hands her a Stark, Bolton wins and he aligns the Vale with the North
     
  34. zeberdee

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    if Stannis takes Winterfell and rescues Sansa, Littlefinger isn't giving him shit. he'd already have her.

    only thing Littlefinger would have to possibly give is the Vale, but it doesn't make sense for the Lords of the Vale to support him after it's revealed he gave Sansa to the Boltons.
     
  35. London Humphreys

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    Like someone said, LF doesn't have to deal with Stannis. He has to deal with Sansa, who owes him for a lot of shit.
     
  36. Vito Corleone

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    If I'm having to predict way in advance, as in what happens in the last book, I think we see a Littlefinger vs Varys led vicarious battle for the Iron Throne. Littlefinger is allied to Stannis/Jon Snow/Sansa or something to that effect and Varys has Daenarys and Tyrion. Something about the themes GRRM uses makes me think the real battle isn't between household names, but the two most talented and merit based politicians using others to fight each other.

    Varys has stated numerous times he thinks Littlefinger to be the greatest threat to the realm. Littlefinger to me just has to be one of the final figures for the Throne. With what's happening now, it just makes it more interesting to see how Littlefinger does it. He's gone from brothel keeper to leader of the most battle ready army in the 7 kingdoms and is about to gain a foothold in the north
     
  37. zeberdee

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    they're not going to make Sansa king of the north. she will still need to serve Stannis. that doesn't make any sense. you think Stannis would just free Sansa and then let her do whatever she wants?
     
  38. London Humphreys

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    No. I think Sansa will be wardeness of the north, and as has been mentioned many, many times, KL doesn't really fuck with the north. Too wild, too big, and too far away. Once Stannis takes the throne, he will only have loose control over the north. If Sansa wants to rebel, she and LF will have the north, the vale, and the riverlands.
     
  39. coffee

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    Well, GRRM did say his envisioned ending for the series was a gently falling snow covering a bunch of graves......I think he said that once, anyway.
     
  40. zeberdee

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    Stannis freeing Winterfell and Stannis taking the throne are two much different things and there will be a lot of manuervering in between. Sansa would be one of Stannis' biggest assets. he's not just going to let her chill in Winterfell and do her own thing. first thing he would do would be find a marriage for her.
     
  41. London Humphreys

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    Gee, I wonder who might be a suitable match and have a helicopter to get there in a hurry?
     
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  42. zeberdee

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    it would be a complete departure from book Stannis for show Stannis to align himself with Littlefinger. he despised everyone on Robert's council and says multiple times how when he comes to power they will all get what is coming to them.

    even if they ignore that fact, show Stannis is still a man of honor and duty and Littlefinger serves nobody but himself. it would be a total compromise for Stannis to align himself with someone like that. why would he do that right after his biggest victory?
     
  43. London Humphreys

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    Secures the Vale and Riverlands, but I'm just spitballin'.
     
  44. zeberdee

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    again, what loyalty do any lords of the vale or riverlands have to Littlefinger?
     
  45. Verbal Kint

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    Still doesn't make sense for Littlefinger to place her in the middle instead of simply waiting to 'give her' to the winner
     
  46. Verbal Kint

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    Because Littlefinger could possibly provide Stannis with the armies of the Vale. Now granted we already saw LF betray Ned rather than support Stannis' claim so there's little reason to think he'd support him now... Unless he arranges to marry Sansa to become Warden of the North and somehow maintains control of the Vale, essentially giving him a bigger army than Stannis. I'm just spitballing because that doesn't even make much sense
     
  47. London Humphreys

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    The vale seems pretty damn loyal in the show. The riverlands would rally for him and sansa. He is the lord and sansa is the heir to their former lord.
     
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  48. London Humphreys

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    Anyway, that's how I try to make sense what the show is doing so I don't get pissed off and miserable. But that's just me.
     
  49. goheels10

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    recap of watching episode 4 with the wife...

    Scene: Melisandre exposes her breasts to Jon Snow.

    Wife: Wow. How old is she?
    Me: I think late 30s
    Wife: Godddamn
    Me: yup
     
  50. jorge

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    You should have lied to her. She's about to go on a self conscious bender.