Surprised there is not more conversation about this. I thought it was a great premier episode. I didn't even realize until I read Sepinwall's review that the story was told from 4 perspectives and that we only saw Kevin and his new family from the perspective of the other family. Apparently next week we get Matt Jamison's perspective and the following week we get Kevin's ex-wife Laurie's. My guess is each episode will be great, but it is going to take awhile to connect all the dots and see where they plan to go this season. The opening scene will always stick with me. It would have made a good short movie by itself. The lack of talking coupled with the bizarre music while she was birthing could not have been any stranger. My guess is we never find out what happened to the girls. Seems like he is juxtaposing there disappearance and how people deal with tragic loss to highlight that this is not about one problem (the departure and its answers) and more about how people deal with traumatic events. In a sense (and I hate the show) it is a little like the different groups dealing with Zombie Apocalypse in Walking Dead. It's not about what started it, but how people deal with it. Also, what do people think Matt was going to say when he got stopped from speaking and why was he stopped?
Big fan Opening scene was so LOST-ish I wish they didn't change the opening song though, I thought it was perfect as is
Yeah this premiere was awesome. I was curious how they'd do this season now that they are past the book and I'm completely on board.
I'm not 100% on this but didn't Regina King say something like "you're working on your birthday?" after her husband said he was inviting the new neighbors over. Wonder what that is all about, obviously that family is crazy but not sure to what end.
Yeah she definitely said that. Curious what was meant by that as well. And wtf at his attempted murder conversation. Whole family has me really intrigued already.
I thought it was obvious. His role in this BS Fire Department is to vet any person in town who may be associated with magic, the occult, or any nonsense of that type. That is why he burned his friends house down. There is obviously a lot more to it that we will find out, but that is it in a nutshell. What motivates it? Not sure. Is he genuinely trying to keep the town from being manipulated or capitalized on for what happened there or is it more personal than that? The fact that he was in jail for 6 years for attempted murder is also interesting and I want to know what the story was there. Their involvement in that church (which seems suspect) is also interesting. Lots of good stuff to chew on.
Fantastic episode. Using the cave woman to illustrate that these people are dealing with surviving the unknown is so smart.
the opening scene was riveting. in a vacuum, you see the geographical and seismic similarity to present day Jarden. but you also see the parallels between the cavewoman and the present-day leftovers. she was just as disoriented as the present-day leftovers. wtf was that earthquake, and where did my tribe go? she was hit was the sudden chaos of being left alone, and of course she has the baby and if you guys are like me you thought, "the most depressing show on TV just got that much more depressing" when you thought the baby was going to be left alone in the wilderness. and just as nora appeared to find the baby on her doorstep, another cavewoman appears and saves this baby and i breathed a sigh of relief. this show is incredibly good at eliciting a wide range of emotions. lots of nuggets dropped about the town of Jarden that obviously...things are not as they seem. the firefighter goon squad, guy slitting the goats throat in the middle of the restaurant (to the surprise of no one), the bird in the box, girls running naked through the woods, the fracture in the road that is encased in glass. clearly Jarden is putting up a facade as a miracle city. but they know something that visitors do not. the girls going missing in the lake. another departure? or is there a more earth-bound explanation? where does the collection of water come into play? it must have some significance to the people of Jarden. it is becoming increasingly clear that viewers are not going to get the answer to the question of what actually happened with the departure. i am ok with it, but i fear that viewers will get turned off of the series and it will ultimately be cancelled because of it.
i took his job more to protect the town from breaking down its miracle facade. if there is some guy professing to predict the future, don't let his bullshit belief discount the facade that they have built to maintain Jarden as an "actual" miracle.
great post. and just to clarify this, they have said (since the beginning) that we will never find out what happened. that, i believe, was one of the first things i learned of the show and lindelof came out again this weekend and reiterated that point. that will never be addressed by the show. hopefully people understand that and are watching for the right reasons. if the characters and the stories are well developed, i think people will continue to watch (i know i will).
guesses are fine, but if you're solely focused on the mystery of the disappearance, you're missing the important aspects of the show. what will be terrible is if people actually do turn on the show bc they never answered the mystery (i'm sure we'll get some of that simply bc of the LOST connection).
i might be in the minority that really didnt like the opening scene. i get the whole nora comparison and the watering hole thing connection it just felt shoe horned in. the rest of the episode was great i loved the kevin and john interactions, the town seems like just as good as a setting as the other crazy place they were at
Thought it was funny when John took the pie (which was left on his porch) over to the Garvey's house and gave it to Nora as she was holding the baby (who had been left on their porch).
I feel like his role in the Fire Department and his collaboration with some of the other church members is to cover up the fact that people actually did disappear from the town that day. I feel like they might be trying to capitalize on the myth that no one in town vanished. Property value seems to have increased by that comment he made about real estate and they're obviously bringing in a lot of money in tourism. I'm not sure that's the reason, but something tells me it's more about a cover-up than it is about silencing the occult.
And I'm not sure why those girls were running around nekkid scene, but I appreciated the random bouncing teen boobies.
I think you're spot on here. One thing that I was wondering, is Eddie Winslow not permitted to rebuild his house? Also, if anyone wants to explain the cave woman scene to me, like I'm stupid, I would appreciate it
Are we supposed to infer that someone tried to drown Kevin? Or did he just go sleepwalking again and end up tangled in a rope?
I understand the not knowing what was behind the disappearance because the show is about how people react to it, but all of the blacking out that He does and the random shit doesn't make any damn sense.
Wow, this show is really stepping it up this year. Loved it last year, but it dragged at times. This year has completely raised the bar. It looks like now that Lindeloff doesn't have a book to work off of he has turned this into Lost. I have a feeling we are in for a wild ride. The way he wove all of the stories together was great. Loved the flashbacks and that ending was fucked. I am assuming we are supposed to think that someone tried to drown him or that he tried to kill himself. Either way, I suspect it will be revealed in a future flashback.
So many cool pickups on Reddit. I need to start paying more attention. This show has a lot of layers just like Lost that won't amount to anything but make interesting conversation and depth while watching. Just saw a post about similarities and tie-ins to Lenin. The Uhaul, said St. Petersburg on it. One of the books on Mr. murray's chest was Lenin. The church in the background looked like a Russian church. Just like Lost, you always have to look at the background and the books. They give directions about what we should be thinking about. Again, if this is like Lost they are not clues as much as they are details that provide the fabric of the show and give it depth.
Also read some interesting theory about nobody dying in Miracle or in certain places in Miracle. Thus, the bird, the goat sacrifice, the cricket that never stops, and Mr. Murray going to jail for ATTEMPTED murder. This is also theorized as the reason they burned the friends house down and didn't try to kill him.
Im starting to think that Patty was the voice in his dads head. I have to go back to last year and see.
show is still stupid. but the reason i watch is because if you spend 2 minutes thinking about how the world will eat itself post 'departure' you'll say to yourself 'fuck it. ill just watch this show and see how it plays out'
he sleepwalks. thats how he has a dog, killed those dogs, and that cunt etc. so he likely tried killing himself in his sleep and then the 'earthquake' hit and the water leaked? god damn frackers.
or maybe he or the town is 'special' and it won't let him die? but if you think the show sucks, i don't get why you watch and comment on it
I forgot about this... http://www.pajiba.com/the_leftovers...onal-geographic-magazine-in-the-leftovers.php
I feel like I am having my Lost experience all over again. There is so much texture to this show now. http://www.vulture.com/2015/10/leftovers-questions-reza-aslan.html?mid=imdb#
Cool also... The season poster makes a lot more sense now given how Episode 2 ended and also the fact that Nora and Kevin both confessed to each other earlier in the episode and moved to Jarden. Sounds like there are multiple layers of meaning.