In fairness, firebombing limos, punching fascists, and destroying public (university) property windows is only playing into Trumps narrative.
Im listening to Pod Save America right now, and they're discussing this. They have DeRay McKesson talking about the BLM movement ect. They asked about this and his answer was "if that's how people's anger is manifested, I can't manage that" While that is true, that's also a really shitty answer. He never condemned it, just basically said 'it is what it is' . Couldn't disagree more. All it takes is a few shit heads to take focus away from what youre protested and put it on the criminal acts of a tiny amount of protesters.
Really love how they had 6 years to come up with a semblance of a health care plan and have literally nothing
lmao at these people. you think the fascist you keep in your house is going to flinch about gassing your family when it turns out you're 'part' Muslim?
Following up on this: my ex and her family escaped Yogoslavia during the civil war. Her dad was a Serb and her mom was Bosnian. Their town was in what is now Bosnia. Her paternal grandparents found the whole thing absurd and hid Bosnians from the Serbs. When the Bosnians took the town, they murdered the grandparents. Oops.
this idea that tolerance is some passive all inclusive state of being is absurd intolerance of intolerance IS tolerance and tolerance can manifest itself in many ways, when being tolerant in the face of a hate filled ideology that espouses ethnic superiority it just might be in a boot to your face
I think if it just some dumb people doing it, then I agree with you. But some people have enough fear/hate in them because of a certain situation and feel like the only way they get heard is by causing destruction and chaos. I'm not saying it's ok but think about how it must feel to be so unheard that you have to cause literal damage to be heard.
So we are doing a climate change unit in my 6th grade science class and today to start the unit I asked kids to define the term in their own words. We then talked as a group comparing definitions, one of the girls in the class defined it as "something trump doesn't believe is real even though science proves him wrong." I wanted to hug her.
Difference of opinion, but I just disagree. I can't think of a circumstance where destroying property helps promote whatever cause youre protesting.
I think rioting is a form of protest...and imo it is unquestionably justified at times. We might disagree on when that threshold is broached though.
Wanton destruction of property is usually destroying neighborhoods and hurts the poor and divides the lower class. It only helps the rich. They want us divided.
It's more about attracting people that are potentially sympathetic to your cause. Youre trying to raise awareness. If Im some dude that is relatively ignorant of your stance, destroying other people's shit is not a good way for me to want to learn more about it.
But you would at least have become aware that a certain percentage of people think [X] is a problem and an important enough one to root over.
if you choose whether to support an issue by how they protest vs the evidence of their grievances thats a you thing
ok just saying that we do a good job ignoring many protests and issues in this country, when you get ignored doing "acceptable" protests you start to meander into other areas to get attention to the problems
That seems like a you problem then. If some rioting leaves you on the fence vs decades of systematic police tactics then I think that's pretty sad...but I get your point that it's not necessarily constructive to an unaware viewer.
Im not saying that's my personal viewpoint. But if youre putting yourself in an unaware viewer's shoes (which I think happens far too infrequently from all sides), I think it's an important thing to be considered, and still contend that any measure of violence and or property damage does much more harm than good.
It's just as bad as for profit prisons. There are some things in this country which shouldn't run as a business --- government in general and especially in regards to education and corrections.
Riots are the unheard lashing out at established power structures. In Capitalism, those that own property hold power over those that do not. Questioning rioters over their actions and not the conditions that foment a riot is myopic. Order is not more important than justice. Properties are not more important than lives.
I'm a big proponent of UBI. Which, not for nothing, would begin to address economic injustice for minorities.
It's important to note that there's a joking-but-not-really-let's-actually-do-it meme among conservatives about stripping voting rights from people who don't own enough property or are on welfare or this or that. For as much as they "abhor" socialism or communism for valuing people (in conservatives' words) insofar as their worth to the state, they really pine for ongoing exclusion of the less-fortunate based on not having the rewards of capitalism, IE physical tokens of things of value like TV and nice cars and shit