The Left: Robespierre did nothing wrong

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  1. Merica

    Merica Devine pls stop pointing out my demise. :(
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    Do the exact same thing we already do for kids who are 5-18 except make it .5-18.

    Paint it as welfare reductions to the republicans and they'll be all about that shit. you don't have to pay poor people as much if you're taking care of their children during the day. And the poor also don't have a valid excuse as to why they can't get a job. Republicans will be all about those dog whistles.

    This isn't hard at all.
     
  2. Chicago Seminole

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    “The campaign suggested you could put away $2,000 per year tax-free and use the money to pay for child care expenses and, more broadly, education expenses,” according to Elaine Maag, a senior research associate at the Urban Institute, a nonprofit think-tank. “However, high-income families save much more than lower-income families and, even with generous matching for savings, the take-up rate is very low. People just don’t have the extra cash to put way,” Maag says.

    Basic economics is liberal bias. This is simple stuff.

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tr...-decade-old-child-care-tax-credits-2017-04-26
     
  3. Taques

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    ew stalin
     
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  4. Teflon Queen

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    It's very hard and Republicans will not be on board with that. You give them entirely too much credit.
     
  5. J.R. Bob Dobbs

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    ok i fix thread title real good just for you
     
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    ew even worse anarchists
     
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    Kinda pissed they used the catch phrase for the BB character (which you, in turn, adopted as your username), as the name of the runoff show, because you "had this name way before the show came out"

    :roll:
     
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  10. Mister Me Too

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    Not Colombian but I'm from a different Latin American country where the US backed a brutal dictator for the sake of capitalism.
     
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  11. MA

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    Or, you know, the third option where they just don't vote at all. And it's funny you pose this as if obviously their votes are guaranteed when the last chart you posted showed 7 and 8 point drops in minority support from '12 to '16, and that was with the most racist candidate in our lifetime.

    Also - and this is for anyone who's on the "less focus on social issues" bandwagon - can someone explain to me how that thought process squares with anti-Trump protests? Literal millions of people have protested this administration on social issues. Social issues are lightning rods, and what makes them that way as opposed to economic issues is that they're easy to understand. People don't have to look at figures, tax rates, and deductions vs. credits. They're able to just see that groups of people are treated worse cause their skin's darker or they're a different sex or they're from somewhere else and immediately know that it's wrong and should be opposed.

    I just don't see how anyone can look at all the anti-Trump stuff going on in this country and think the focus on social issues should be decreased. It seems really tone-deaf and something I think would make the enthusiasm gap even worse.
     
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  13. Chicago Seminole

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    ^^^^ I was gonna post this earlier.

    This guy is something else.
     
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  14. LuPoor

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    Elite level self awareness
     
  15. Chicago Seminole

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    Also another lazy false equivalency.

    Comparing a respected left of center thinktank with a website that puts out headlines like:

    'Trannies whine about hilarious Bruce Jenner billboard'

    'Birth control makes women unattractive and crazy"

    'The solution to online 'harassment' is simple: Women should log off'


    Why Breitbart always talkin bout social/cultural issues? Don't they know Saul is so sick of this. It's OUR fault somehow.
     
  16. Jax Teller

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    Saul you do realize that money released to Iran was money we owed them and that we were going to lose an international court battle over and have to pay even more right? Looks like Obama saved America money yet again.
     
  17. Merica

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    2016 had the most openly racist candidate in modern history and minority voter turnout DECREASED. The dude called Mexicans rapists and less of them came out to vote against the guy than against freaking mitt Romney. You said it yourself.

    That tells me they by and large don't give as much of a shit about the racial stuff than you'd think they should. Why the hell would we double down on that issue when it simply did not work on the one type of election where city dwellers have an advantage?

    Again, the one issue binding democrats at this moment is opposing trump. That's a hopefully 3 year temporary advantage for us. Most people are gonna go right back to not giving a shit if literally anyone else is in the White House.

    And if that person is a democrat, and we do nothing to change our power at the state level and the legislature, then that democrat president is gonna be neutered and totally reliant on the executive order.
     
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  18. CaneKnight

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    Why do you continue to shift blame for Trump onto those who didn't vote for him?
     
  19. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    What about people who didn't vote for HRC because they were huge Bernie Bros? I'm pretty sure you attacked them in the past.
     
  20. CaneKnight

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    I have, but Merica has deliberately tried to defend Trump Supporters while blaming other factions for Trump being elected, which is something I've never done. I've attacked Bernie Bros and those who didn't vote for Hillary, BUT those people in no way shape or form deserve of the brunt of the blame for electing a racist shit bag when they didn't vote for him. They deserve criticism, but I've never ever defended Trump Voters.
     
  21. MA

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    I'm not the one acting like their vote is a given.
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    So, in summation: Race issues was the top divider in terms of things very important to supporters, with LGBT issues coming third. The vast majority of black people, hispanic people, and white Democrats considered race issues to be very important in their vote, and a majority of white people and white Independents felt the same. And lastly, a majority of black people think race issues get talked about too little, while a majority of white Republicans think it gets talked about too much.

    To me it seems a lot more like you want social issues talked about less, and are now creating a justification (minority turnout with a racist candidate) for that, than you looking at the numbers and making a decision based off them. For example, just with the race issues aspect, if the only established facts we're playing with are that minority support/turnout was worse and one of the candidates was really racist, why can't the conclusion be that we didn't highlight race issues enough to distance from the racist candidate? Once you take into account the survey results posted above, does it seem more likely that minorities completely changed their tune about the issue or that they didn't think it got the attention it deserved?
     
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  22. Jax Teller

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    This has probably been talked about already in regards to labeling Trump voters as racists and bigots. But he won 8% of the AA vote, 29% of the Hispanic vote, 29% of Asian, 37% of other and 12% of the non-straight vote. So are all of those voters labeled racists and bigots too? Or did they vote for Trump for other reasons?
     
  23. TrustyPatches

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    They're obviously racist and deserve to die CaneKnight
     
  24. Prospector

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    Holy shit at the manufacturer and call ins on 1A re tax reform

    Fucking orange Nero has robust and enthusiastic supporters
     
  25. Fran Tarkenton

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...3413c691853_story.html?utm_term=.6dc8029def78

    Judge: Mostly white Southern city may secede from school district — even if effort motivated by race

    By Emma Brown April 27 at 6:00 AM
    A federal judge has ruled that a predominantly white Alabama city may separate from its more diverse school district, even though the judge concluded that the action was motivated by race and sent messages of racial inferiority and exclusion that “assail the dignity of black school children.”

    For years, Gardendale, a bedroom community of Birmingham, has been pushing to form its own small school system. That would mean leaving the school system of surrounding Jefferson County, where black students outnumber whites.

    Backers of secession have said that they are seeking local control over schools, not racial segregation. But opponents say that the separation is deeply tied to race and should not be allowed in a place that has been struggling to desegregate its schools since black families first sued half a century ago.

    Judge Madeline Haikala of the U.S. District Court in Birmingham — who oversees Jefferson County’s long-running desegregation efforts — issued a ruling late Monday that fully satisfied neither side, charting a path forward for a breakup that she said had been “deplorable” in some ways.

    Attorneys for black plaintiffs, who had sought to stop the secession, said their clients felt both vindicated by the court’s findings of intentional discrimination and yet perplexed by the decision to allow the separation to move forward.


    “It’s hard to square,” said Monique Lin-Luse, a lawyer with the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund. “We’re still reviewing what our options are and response will be.” U.W. Clemon, a former federal judge who also represents the plaintiffs, said they would likely ask the judge to reconsider her opinion.

    The Justice Department, which had opposed the separation, declined to comment on the ruling.

    [A Southern city wants to secede from its school district, raising concerns about segregation]

    Haikala’s 190-page decision recounts the decades-long battle over school desegregation in Jefferson County, including multiple efforts by affluent, majority-white cities to splinter off and form their own school systems. It is a history that has left the county with a shrunken tax base and a growing percentage of low-income and minority students.

    Against that backdrop, the judge offered a blistering critique of those who organized Gardendale’s effort to splinter from the county system. Pointing to Facebook posts and public statements, Haikala concluded that they clearly saw secession as a way to control the demographics of city schools, erecting a barrier to black students who transferred from other parts of the county.

    “Non-resident students are increasing at a alarming rate in our schools,” one organizer wrote on Facebook. “Those students do not contribute financially. They consume the resources of our schools, our teachers and our resident students, then go home.”

    Such messages send a clear message to black students — many of whom live miles away in a community called North Smithfield and attend Gardendale’s middle and high schools under a decades-old desegregation plan — that “these schools are not yours, and you are not welcome here,” Haikala wrote.


    A flier distributed to Gardendale residents before a vote on whether to secede delivered “an unambiguous message of inferiority” to black students, Haikala wrote. The flier, with an image of a white child, asked, “Which path will Gardendale choose?”

    It offered two choices: A list of predominantly black cities, whose schools remain part of the Jefferson County system, and a list of predominantly white cities — “some of the best places to live in the country,” the flier said — whose schools have broken away over the years.

    Haikala decided that although she could opt to block the secession, given that it will likely get in the way of desegregating Jefferson County schools, she would allow it nonetheless — in part out of concern for black students, whom she said would be likely to bear the blame if she refused.

    Black children from North Smithfield who are currently bused to Gardendale are in a “catch-22,” she wrote, and without a concerted effort by the city’s leaders are likely to feel unwelcome no matter who runs its schools. Gardendale proposed including North Smithfield students in its new school system only after leaders of the secession effort concluded that it was essential to win court approval. “This is a tragic consequence of the way in which the Gardendale Board attempted to separate,” she wrote.

    [GOP lawmakers seek to dismantle one of nation’s most robust school desegregation efforts]

    Under her decision, Gardendale may begin operating the two elementary schools within its boundaries beginning in fall 2017. If the city shows good faith in carrying out desegregation efforts at those schools over the next three years — including by allowing and paying for transfer students and appointing a black member to the all-white city school board — it may be allowed to take over the middle and high school within its boundaries.

    Even then, Gardendale would have to pay Jefferson County for the high school building that sits at the center of town, which cost the county more than $50 million to build. The high school plays a key role in the county’s efforts to integrate, using career and technical education programs to attract students from far more segregated areas.

    Patrick Martin, Gardendale’s superintendent, did not respond to an email seeking comment. In a statement posted on Gardendale’s website, Chris Segroves, president of the Gardendale Board of Education, said that the board was reviewing the order.

    “We know that the community is anxious and ready to achieve its goal of a locally led public school system. We are, too,” Segroves said. “While the Court’s order is progress and represents a significant development in that process, we must ask for your continued patience and prayers in the coming days as we work through this together for the betterment of our community.”

    Under Alabama law, cities of more than 5,000 residents can form independent school systems, and Gardendale had argued that the federal court should have no say over its separation. “Things have changed” since the Supreme Court’s landmark decisions on school segregation, Gardendale argued in a brief, and federal courts must “open their eyes to the condition of the present.”

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    Haikala forcefully rebutted that argument, writing that Gardendale’s message to black students that they are inferior and unwanted has been “unmistakable” and “intolerable.”

    “The Court may not turn a blind eye to that message,” the judge wrote.

    Erica Frankenberg, a professor at Penn State University who studies school segregation, said that the decision by Haikala — who was appointed by President Barack Obama and is relatively new to the Jefferson County case — is a significant departure from previous court decisions that allowed majority-white cities to splinter off from larger school systems without publicly explaining or grappling with the consequences.

    Frankenberg said the decision is also an important defense of the federal government’s role in monitoring and overseeing school desegregation. “You can’t just say that the passage of time has gotten rid of the prior segregation,” she said.
     
  26. BWC

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    2017. Good work, America.
     
  27. Iron Mickey

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    what a surprise
     
  28. Iron Mickey

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    also Merica please stop

    please

    pls

    :killmepete:
     
  29. RoyalShocker

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    I've been working on an HBO crime drama centered around the banana carte... I mean corporations for years. One of the great examples of what happens when Americans want something that we don't have (can't grow bananas here)... We will turn a blind eye to the means employed to keep those bananas on boats headed for our ports.
     
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  30. Iron Mickey

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    peep United Fruit and Guatemala's coup if you haven't already
     
  31. RoyalShocker

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    Thank goodness we usually "run out of time" every summer around the end of World War II, elsewise our children would learn some cruel truths about Uncle Sam in US History.

    Seriously, though, I really think a banana mini-series would be tyte. It has crime, conspiracy, exploitation, an oligopoly, Latin America (always fun), and capitalism all in one.
     
  32. Teflon Queen

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    Who's violating the NAP in that?
     
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  33. Iron Mickey

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    Plus, bananas are delicious.
     
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    Are we about to enter another mickey/shocker history circlejerk?
     
  35. Iron Mickey

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    Apparently the government.
     
  36. Iron Mickey

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    RoyalShocker and I are about to enter you, if that clears things up.
     
  37. Teflon Queen

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    Which government though

    :dubioustrump:
     
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  38. Taques

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    thats up to the private court system to decide
     
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  39. Iron Mickey

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    Yes. Governments violate the NAP because they infringe on your sovereignty as a fat white man.
     
  40. RoyalShocker

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    This thread is now about bananas and analingus.
     
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  41. Iron Mickey

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    must... not... google...
     
  42. Iron Mickey

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    The Left[over Banana After the Fruit is Used as a Dildo During Analingus] Thread
     
  43. RoyalShocker

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    I'm going to have to sit at my desk for a while now.

    If you haven't used a banana as a dildo while you're going to town on your girl's butt, then I don't know if we have much in common, friends.
     
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  44. LuPoor

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    You lean back and let this happen
     
  45. Merica

    Merica Devine pls stop pointing out my demise. :(
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    Who's shifting blame for Trump to people who didn't vote for him? I'm saying we need to get more rural voters if we ever want to have any power.

    I have zero clue why that's a controversial stance. I'm sorry if you guys don't want to face the truth. We talk about the importance of truth and then just completely avoid that reality.

    Trump voters are by and large morons because they voted for Trump. Go look at what they actually want from the government. They want a democrat, but our message has not resonated with them at all. If we continue the exact same narrative, we will have no power at the state level.

    If y'all are fine with that, whatever. Don't get pissed when Republicans do awful shit and then continue to get elected.
     
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  46. RoyalShocker

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    Coincidentally, that's how I get girls to let me lick their butt!
     
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  47. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    ftfy
     
  48. Iron Mickey

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    someone is doing it wrong apparently
     
  49. Iron Mickey

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