Ah, I see we've made it full circle to " she shouldn't have been standing there" when defending nazis. Good deal fellas.
Fox News will always move the finish line. If you're trying to play to them you've already lost. Take a week off. Come back fresh Merica I bet the world looks simpler. If it doesn't take a year off. Fuck it nothing will change anyway. Except we might become ash bc of Kim Jung Un
*Sighs deeply* Did Fox News play the tuba video on air? If they did it was once and I don't care. Fox News is propaganda outfit built on the culture wars. They fought Obamacare when Obama was president. Ignored the process of it's potential repeal. Bending to Fox News interpretations of events is admitting defeat. Democrats need to go after the 54% of voters who didn't vote for Trump. And the 10's of millions of non-voters, especially millennials. People who watch Fox aren't gettable voters.
I think one point that Merica is right on is that Nazis want a violent reaction. They are baiting people for a violent reaction. Violence gets them publicity. Publicity helps them recruit. Violence let's them instill doubt and gaslight. Maybe the answer is to fight them and that hubris will see them eradicated. I don't know, but it's something to consider.
How about have some fucking self-control and not keep sniping at them? Who gives a fuck what randoms on the internet call you? Are you that fucking insecure? For someone who seemingly believes in non-confrontation and taking the "high road" you can't fucking help yourself from flopping in the mud in this thread. You just keeping mashing the keyboard, pouting, making strawman arguments and now you're doing the "gotcha" thing. It's fucking obnoxious. I come to this thread for evolving discussion and to follow what's going on in this country, not for you to have a self-righteous fit every other day (or twice a day like you have today). This happens because you KEEP BRINGING UP THE SAME FUCKING ARGUMENT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Honestly, it's not your positions that make you an "idiot" or "crazy" (besides maybe the "I like statues" one that you've thankfully reconsidered), it's your incessant need to keep doubling and tripling down and coming up with stupid fucking talking points in the process. You ignore what others say, you repeat yourself over and over, you go on weird tangents, and I'm sick of it. I don't care that you're different -- that's fine. I care that you make everything a federal fucking case for no fucking reason because you can't possibly fathom why people think differently from you and you have very little capacity for considering things from other people's point of view. I don't want to ignore you, but I'm sick of you hijacking the thread so you can sit on your soapbox. And yes, I'm annoyed.
I think they are bullies and want to scare people. Bullies generally don't like being hit in the mouth no matter how much shit they talk. That being said, I don't believe in starting the fight. But if they swing, you swing back.
i haven't found "just ignore it" to be a very good strategy for solving problems but your mileage may vary
Antifa is a reaction movement, not unlike BLM. Without the cause there would be no effect. If neo-Nazis disappeared there would be no current Anita movement. Just like if there were no unjust killings of black men. The opposite isn't true. If BLM disappeared or if Antifa disappeared neo-Nazis would still exist.
Maybe, that Chris Cantwell guy proudly showed how many guns he was carrying during the march to Vice News. Then weeped like a little boy with skinned knee when he knew his arrest warrant went out. These men don't deserve your fear.
What would be the goal? To rally whites behind a coward? If it was a gambit, it was a poor one. He portrayed himself as a leader of white men. I follow men who cry with empathy for others, not himself.
So everyone that did bad shit on the left is Antifa? I guess that means everyone at the Va alt right protest was a Nazi. I guess anyone that excused them was also a Nazi. Shit I guess trump is a Nazi. Good talk
I maybe naive but I think it was. The toughest guy they had goes bitch? Don't think that helps with recruiting. I think a lot of this new racist movement was born online and he got a taste of what the real world thinks of his extreme views. Could have it been exaggerated? Quite possibly for the reasons you state.
"I wept all through the Downfall videos that didn't properly explain Hitler's mindset." Well, Dunkirk was really loud and great. You should see it in theaters. I cried during that. But I turn to pieces in Saving Private Ryan, when the family is walking through the anti-fascist-hero cemetery in Normandy, France.
The most effective tool against the Nazis seems to be plastering their pictures all over the Internet and destroying their lives.
3 pages back but ive met Merica IRL and he is a good dude. Having cognitive dissonance on whether to be violent or not against literal nazis/white supremacists is understandable to me. I've never been in this situation before. I've never had to deal with a president who openly sympathizes with that ilk. it's fucking unprecedented. this is literally a defining moment for at least me and im sure a lot of others. The discourse and questions we ask ourselves here are good fucking things. God Bless Cam. 2010.
Take down all Confederate statues and replace them with statues of anyone who managed to slog through the last 4 pages of this thread.
For fucks sake. Can somebody tag me when the Merica conversation is over? He's made the same point for two weeks and people are still trying to make him understand a point he obviously won't.
The ciolence wanted by the leaders is so that the "private militias" react and kill people. They want the attention. They fail to realize these killings will result in higher scrutiny by law enforcement and greater public opposition, thinking instead that it will further bring people into the fold and/or scare protestors. That's why they want violence. They want all-out war, preferably a race war. But they are pussies, in general.
This has been the crux since this conversation started that hasn't been brought up much, there aren't any fox viewers or people finding themselves sympathetic to nazis who are potential democratic voters. As far as the crying nazi, not totally convinced of this, but fwiw-
Skipped a bunch, but having any faith in Fox is foolhardy. Counter-protesters could link arms and sing hymns while getting pelted with batteries and they would spin it into some bizarre story about the alt-left trying to call up Satan.