I used to work with a gun nut who would tell me that he and the NRA are against a national registry for guns because "then they have a list of all the people who own guns and know right where to go when the time comes" How fucking mental do you have to be to think that way?
There is a big problem that a 19yo, most likely autistic, kid has access to military grade weaponry, but the bigger problem is we have a shit ton of idiots in this country like the family in this article who think it’s ok/normal for someone like Cruz to possess them. “We made him keep them locked up“ Give me a fucking break, you idiot!
Bruh, didn't you see Red Dawn? That's how those Ruskies and Cubans knew who to go after in the civilian populace once they landed.
I'm going to indulge you for a minute, even though you are a fucking moron, because I'm bored. While it is technically true that the government could use a national registry to collect all the guns, it would be fucking impossible to actually do. The mentality of "come and take them!" and "You can pry my guns from my cold dead hands" is far to prevalent among gun owners to make seizure easy. Gun seizures would turn into shootouts. It would require more than just local, state and ATF forces. Hey, you'd get called up and could finally see some action instead of just being a keyboard warrior! You'd get to fight against Americans who won't give up their guns. Cool, huh? Oh, you don't want to do that? That's not what you signed up for? That will be the same case for many, many others who would be forced into that situation. Gun seizures are a complete non-starter and anyone who thinks it could even remotely happen is a fucking simpleton.
We had an article stating that this kid joined and trained with some alt-right group that admitted to giving him a WW2 rifle. That’s a gut punch when thinking about what could have been done to prevent this: if the gave him a $300 milsurp no reason they wouldn’t give him a $300 AR. 9 million ARs out there (citation needed), plenty owned by shitheads wiling to give them over to other shitheads looking to die for the cause. Toothpaste into the tube argument. I don’t know.
No federal agency could refrain from stepping on its own dick long enough to confiscate all the guns in America.
And this is why we won’t be able to actually ban guns in this country. My fellow Democrats are going to puss out because it’s ‘too hard.’ We will just keep whining about it on the internet letting more people die by gun violence.
Again, I know you are mentally deficient, but here goes anyways: Banning guns and confiscating guns are two separate things. Banning the over the counter sale of a type of gun can and does work. You cannot go into a gun store and buy an Uzi, for example. You can buy them, but it requires ATF approval and a lot of tax $. Sure, there will still be millions of AR-15s and other assault Rifle style guns out on the street, but no new ones getting out there. If you stop the over the counter sales, close gun show loopholes, then it makes getting an AR-15 that much more difficult. Not impossible, but more difficult. Don't be fooled, American's are lazy as fuck, as a whole. Requiring extra steps to get an assault weapon style gun will make many give up trying to get one.
Maybe instead of calling others deficient, you could explain how you would create a registry if you’re not selling the weapon anymore? Also, you want to create a registry of weapons that are illegal to own but not do anything about those people owning the weapon?
Just because I didn't include restrictions on individuals does not mean I do not support some of those as well. You can start from zero with a registry, you know that, right? We just went 7 pages making fun of Saul for his bizarre understanding of registries.
If you're not an FFL dealer you can just sell to whoever at the show without a background check. it's bullshit that two tables right next to each other at a gun show don't have the same requirements for safety
How do gun rights advocates argue this? It seems common sense that an individual incapable of purchasing from an FFL (on account of the background check) should not simply be able to get on gunbroker.com or Craig’s list and buy the same item. I must be missing something here. Seems as though you’re for background checks on firearm purchases or you’re not.
They think its an unnecessary burden on private gun sales. "if I want to sell my rifle to my cousin I shouldn't have to involve anyone or the government"
But your cousin was denied at the gun store, then went home and posted “I’m going to shoot up a school as soon as I can get my hands on a firearm” on his MySpace page...
Yes, which is why you'd get like 90% approval to a plan where all change of ownership of weapons requires a background check, but to enforce this or monitor it you'd likely also need a registry. The issue is that 10% against it are WILD and have tons of lobbying power.
Right. It's all about the peer to peer transfer loophole people refuse to close because 'i want to sell my rifle to my neighbor'
I like how this dumb fuck comes in Herr spouting shit that has been covered numerous times, like he has some rare insight into shit.
I do think we have a problem. Like many things, I think this one doesn't have an answer. There is no fix to it. I think more progress would be seen from parenting than making changes to laws. Not raising completely fucked up kids due to neglect or just plain selfishness would be a start. I am absolutely positive I don't want the federal government doing anything. Those guys fuck EVERYTHING up.
you should probably give it a rest after you were seen posting the 18 shooting this year and Republicans let mentals get guns memes. You're reaching chuckmasterflex level clickbait low information voter status
I honestly think Dems could propose a bill that requires all sales to go through an FFL and get it passed. I think that reaching too far will get them nothing though.
0.0% chance every Republican would be on TV railing about big government and if they want to hand down a gun to their children they shouldn't have to have the government stick its nose in their business that is protected by the 2nd amendment
You do? You think Republicans are less beholden to the nra than they were after new town? I don't really see it
universal background checks were tried and failed after Sandy Hook https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting good read on what happened back then and we're even more polarized right now
The big NRA donors are manufacturers. What do they make on a re-sell? I think there is far too much public support on background checks for it not to pass. I doubt a bill with just background checks ever gets proposed though. It’ll have an assault weapon ban & mag restrictions tied to it. No way that passes.
It got proposed dude... They voted no. What do you think is different now with the Republican view of gun control?
You don't think there was public support for that after a shit load of elementary school kids got gunned down? It was there, but the people owned by the nra refuse to vote for it
I don’t know that public support is really any higher, but the issue seems to be more talked about. Kasich was on CNN saying it’s silly that people are allowed to sell guns to people that they don’t know without a background check. He was still arguing for the changes to be made at a state level instead of nationally, however. The former member of congress has quite a bit of disdain for the institution as it exists now.
In case no one has noticed Congress isn’t interested in what the public wants. All about the $$$ and Wins for the party.
Out of tragedy comes heroism. These kids are giving me hope. ... The sandy hook, san bernadino and LV shootings were tragic but the news cycles moved on These kids are digging their heels in.They have an easy platform: social media. Theyre shouting down misinformation, bullshit and tired nra talking points. Every day of coverage is a victory, because these are voices the GOP cant mute. Words they cant twist.
This kinda reminds me of the events leading up to Kip Kinkel, shooter at Thurston shooting Springfield Oregon. I had a cousin who went to school there at the time. He was found at school with a loaded handgun and was expelled. Only the handgun was confiscated by the police because it was used in a crime. His parents took all his other guns away, he then he stole them back, killed both of them and then went to the school and killed 2 and wounded 25 in the cafeteria. In a note he left at his house he said: "My head just doesn't work right. God damn these VOICES inside my head. ... I have to kill people. I don't know why. ... I have no other choice."
Even if they pass FFL legislation, the loophole would be to sell the gun to a trust, then pass it down within that trust. It's what many people do around here with silencers and other accessories that are to be put out to individuals. That way it stays in the family and you won't have to give it up when you die.