Do you think I'm the only person who has pointed out this problem? That I'm the only person who continually bitches about a roving gang of the left going in and out of threads basically calling others horrible until they shutup if they don't agree with everything you say? Western ideology doesn't have a thing to do with the color of your skin. Just because the concept of was created by white people doesn't mean they own it. And anyone who thinks that white people are intrinsically better because of the ideology is an absolute piece of shit and a very small minority of people. You comparing those stances is pretty god damn ostracizing don't you think? You're either extremely critical of western civilization or you're a white nationalist?
Let me take your post paragraph by paragraph and make it easy to read.... 1. I don’t own a semi auto rifle or high cap mags. I do think Sales of both of these should be restricted. 2. I’m not saying “pew pew pew...” whatever you’re saying....not really sure. I simply stated that i feel active shooter prep drills are more effective means of saving lives than banning a particular style of semi auto rifle or mags. I DID NOT say that we shouldn’t ban anything. Just that one is more effective than the other. There are already hundreds of millions of guns on the streets and psychos who possess them. We need to prepare ourselves for that reality. This isn’t to say that we shouldn’t change the current laws, justvthat we should be prepared for our current reality. 3. I agree that legislation must be taken. No argument from me. How’s that? I’ve basically said this same thing 5-6 times, but tried to break it down in an easy to read format this time.
In that case, let me rephrase. I think we should outlaw all guns and ammo and go door to door until we’ve gotten every one of them off the street. I seriously think that the 6 or 7 guys that live in this thread really want that to happen, but it never will.
Reactionaries get upset, its what they do. You seriously just seem to be upset that you get made fun of for some of your takes. The echo chamber barb as you even admitted, isn't about opinion on policy specifics, but on people who view whatever politically violent policy of the day is as bad. *intentionally hinder our healthcare system* thats bad - everyone echo chamber! - you To the latter point whether you intended to, knew it, or whatever, the hyper romanticized view of western culture and "enlightenment principles" is used rhetorically by alt righters as basically a gateway to prop up "white culture" as superior right before they advocate a white ethnostate. It's the gateway drug rhetorically. Just so you're aware.
For as much time as you spend espousing opinions, you have plenty of time to educate yourself about them. 1: what is "Western ideology?" 2: why are you using dog whistle language from the alt right? 3: how do you divorce an idea from its context? 4: how can you reconcile the Enlightenment idea of the sacredness of personhood with owning slaves? or even the myriad of CJ issues you admit face the country 5: your talking points sound like something from a Ben Shapiro podcast. Understand that this person is funded by billionaires to turn you into a reactionary talking point bot-- and it has worked.
That might not be what you intended, but that's the message people are receiving. I think y'all brush off this complaint because it's typically coming from posters you don't like, but there are a fuckton of people out there who are just not discussing politics period because they don't want to be called a bigot or some other trash name. On this board and in real life. They're still voting though, and take a wild guess which party they typically vote for.
Do you need a safe space for your right wing talking points to bounce around and sound legitimate? Is the Shapiro tweet comment section a little slow today?
These takes are directly out of the reactionary alt-right playbook. "Western ideology" is just a dog whistle for the persistent myth that there is something unique and savory about Europe. Hmm, where else can we find that sort of talk? Also, I thought you were too ironic to follow politics. How can you sort out what is and isn't an ideologically charged comment when you don't spend any time on the topic?
Good to see you man. 1. Democracy. Individualism. Capitalism. Plenty of other concepts. Westerners don't own those concepts but those are typically wrapped up in the term "western ideology." As was pointed out earlier marxism is technically European, although that was taken over by the russians who failed miserably. 2. I'm saying things that people on the left are just fucking waving off and not even addressing. Like these complaints have no merit whatsoever. 3. I don't know what you mean. The thought that democracy, individualism, etc. is divorced from the color of your skin? I'd say that's pretty damn easy to divorce. 4. You can't reconcile those ideas. Owning slaves goes completely against those ideals. 5. I think there's merit to the concept that tribalism is a fucking horrible thing that we as Americans are participating in too much at this moment. You and I agree on a million different policies and we can discuss them rationally. I can't discuss them with you if you think I'm an evil person though because why the hell would you value the opinion of someone you deem as evil or a bigot or whatever?
he borrows rhetorical stylings and arguments from right wingers while advocating some left policies its a weird dichotomy i'll give you that
Tying those things to a specific, white geography is a common trend amongst white supremacists. What is the complaint that has merit? That people are mean to you when you say something that is straight out of Ben Shapiro's mouth? Sorry, it's a message board, don't get triggered. It sounds like you're talking about the Enlightenment, which has roots outside of Europe, but that fundamentally reflects a failed project. The sanctity of personhood according to a French dude in the 18th century included owning people. Let's not get hot and bothered to revisit that. Right, yet people who talk like you have had slaves, or are fine with CJ policies that disproportionately affect POC, and so on. To be honest, I no longer value your opinion. By all appearances, you're an Obama liberal who thought we could just put everything bad about the country's history behind us and be done. Don't talk about racism and it doesn't exist. Like "democracy" and you're a fair person. When it became clear that the country still suffered horribly from its racist roots, you doubled down on your idea that some decontextualized myth of European personhood and values could save our current political system. You spend, as far as I can tell, all of your free time policing the left on a message board. But all of that is aside from the point that you shouldn't be someone's jabroni. Spouting off alt-right takes and making it your personal cross is a bad look. Do better. I hope to hear in six months that you're no longer doing this.
Wouldn't this place be my ultimate safe space if your crying about roving bands of people who don't tolerate your shtick were valid? Think, McFly.
Trumpeting the superiority of “western ideology” is absolutely tied to the color of one’s skin. You cannot deny that if you want to move forward to your post racial paradise. Democracy needn’t be about one’s skin color, but in today’s America it is. And there’s a reason for that. That reason is the entire history of the ideology that bore it.
"the western ideology of manifest destiny had nothing to do with the color of one's skin" - Merica, probably
Okay? What does that have to do with the concepts themselves? I'm mainly telling you that this mindset is why Republicans own every single branch of government. You can blame white nationalism or gerrymandering or corporate money, but the bottom line is that you're drawing a line in the sand and more people are going to the other side of it. I can call that French dude a fucking hypocrite and still think the ideology itself has merit. You certainly understand this concept and I don't know why you're acting like you don't. Wait, who has slaves? I probably agree with you on damn near every policy that would help POC. I'm telling you that acting like anyone who thinks tax breaks are a good thing means they're a fucking racist is going to actively hurt the cause you're attempting to further. I don't give a shit what you think about my opinion man. Fuck I take pride in you calling me an Obama liberal. This country isn't perfect nor is any other country, but dwelling on all of the horrible things about its history isn't getting us anywhere. You nor I can control the acts of our ancestors. I think studying history is insanely important but as a guiding tool for future actions. I honestly have no idea what the hell you're even advocating in this last point. Maybe it is now and that's reason you're back. I don't know you man.
The country’s history determines the conditions of its current inhabitants. Those things cannot be separated. They are entwined. You cannot propose solutions without understanding the problems.
Sales of both of these should be banned permanently. I’m referring to sentiments like this: It comes off like “I like shooting guns and don’t care that my freedom to do so directly impacts other people’s ability to feel safe from gun violence. Saying that psychos possess millions of guns speaks to that societal failure I mentioned. Good. I take it you’ll inform your elected officials like I have. It’s not that I didn’t understand what you said, it’s that I fundamentally disagree with your conclusion. Banning those guns will absolutely make me feel less worried than hoping that kids are lucky enough to stay hidden in the case of the unthinkable.
I've said exactly that a million god damn times. Hell I've advocated fucking reparations on this board before. What exactly does that mean we're supposed to do now? If you scream at me about how this country is a white nationalist nation enough does that magically change it?
We get it, you don't want to directly address the root causes of problems because it makes Trump voters mad to think about, but don't sidestep by acting like you're a political operative/pundit who knows the key to winning elections. You want to disassociate politics from race, or sex, or what have you without understanding every policy you hate was enacted with those things explicitly in mind. I've told you this before, you're doing the right wings work by white washing politics to coddle reactionaries who will always find a reason to suppress progress.
He got under your skin so you’re scatting all over the thread. Sweet. You really don’t have to react to every slight, especially the ones that have no purpose but to tweak you. You’re a chucker. Get ball and shoot no matter where on the court you are.
Not stop talking about. Talk about it more to beat it into the heads of people that still don’t get it.
I want to be on the other side of the line in the sand from those who are cool with white nationalism and/or gerrymandering.
He just revealed welsh isn’t even his first language the other day. I think he just adopted Wales due to embarrassment over his English roots.
one thing about ideology and the western state ITT: the notion that the capitalist state is driven by ideology and not the express needs of capital to valorize itself needs to be put to bed. ideology grows out of the conditions put in place by real movements and has little real-world activity "western government" isnt a product of europe winning some ideological battle, the capitalist mode of production just materialized first in europe and spread from there. calling that a regional ideological triumph ignores that revolutions are not driven by philosophy /rant