Malazan Book of the Fallen (Malazan Universe)

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  1. RonBurgundy

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    95% through Deadhouse. I fucking love this series. Just really hard to sit down and power through because of its density and style
     
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  2. The Blackfish

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    Memories of Ice next, nice. Great book.

    Then... witness
     
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  3. RonBurgundy

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    His eccentric characters (Kruppe and iskaral pust are the ones I've experienced) are just phenomenal.

    Crazy enough to be enjoyable and humorous but just within the bounds of acceptable to not make it silly or distracting. Hard thing to do and Erikson is really really good at it so far
     
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  4. The Blackfish

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    This series has like my top 10 favorite fantasy characters in it.
     
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    Also Shadowthrone is just as eccentric as those two
     
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  6. Gonff

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    The man giggles a lot
     
  7. RonBurgundy

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    He's literally been in 2 scenes (excluding the opening scene obviously)

    No opinion formed from me yet
     
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  8. The Blackfish

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    Starting Assail
     
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  9. Gonff

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    I've decided to jump into Assail once I finish my current book. Should probably start tomorrow or this weekend.

    Kind of a crummy reason to really want to read this book, but the next book in the expanded reading list is another Erikson novel. So that's some good motivation.
     
  10. The Blackfish

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    I'm almost finished with Assail, I've really enjoyed it so far
     
  11. Hammerhead

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    Assail and Orb, Scepter, Throne are by far my favorite ICE books. Significant quality gap between those and the others, IMO.
     
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    I finished Assail yesterday. I definitely liked it better than Blood and Bone, but I still thought it bogged down a bit in the middle.

    Orb, Sceptre, Throne is my favorite of the Malazan Empire books.
     
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  13. Hammerhead

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    Concur. The storyline in OST is outstanding. Really fleshes out some major plotlines (Dassem, Seguleh, Tyrant) I've been fascinated with since the beginning of the MBotF series. Esslemont did a good job of bringing it together.
     
  14. Gonff

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    I started Forge of Darkness today.

    I'll be honest, I got kind of bummed when I looked at the Tor re-read and the articles stopped after chapter four. RIP.
     
  15. The Blackfish

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    Yeah fucking sucks
     
  16. Gonff

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    Deadhouse Landing, Esslemont's newest book, is supposed to be released this week. I'm pretty sure there are a few users in here who are that far into the series. FYI.
     
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  17. The Blackfish

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    Still about 20% into Forge if Darkness. Tooka break to reread all things Sanderson before Oatbringer. Will dive back in to Malazan when I’m done with that
     
  18. Gonff

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    I'm about 40% in. Works out well, though, because by the time I finish reading FoD (which is a hard copy), I should be wrapping up the audiobook of The Way of Kings.
     
  19. billdozer

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    This from Steven Erikson's Facebook author page:
    I've made a point of never dissembling to my readers so why start now? The reasons for this decision (delaying Walk in Shadow) are varied: the basic situation is as follows. For reasons unknown to me, my agent or my publishers, DoD and FoL have tanked in terms of sales. I wasn't even aware of that until we started marketing the First Contact novel, RKH, but when the details came out it took the wind out of my sails (putting it mildly). Now, if it was a matter of the style I employed for the Kharkanas trilogy turning readers off, then the sales of FoD should have been decent, only to then fall off for FoL. But that wasn't the case. Strangely, the Book of the Fallen series remains strong in terms of sales. Was it because it was a prequel? Possibly. Did FoD come too soon after TCG? Maybe. Or is there some kind of reader-fatigue going on? Could be. One theory I've been considering is a more general wariness among fantasy fans regarding trilogies and series -- having been burned by other authors waiting for books, are readers just holding back until the trilogy is done, before buying in? But then, Dancer's Lament sold brilliantly (and it too is a prequel). Anyway, the upshot is, given what we perceive as considerable enthusiasm for the Karsa trilogy, we decided to jump right in. The story picks up four or five years after the ten book series, so there'll be plenty of room to explore the fall-out, and room for favourite characters to make an appearance beyond Karsa himself. I do remain committed to writing Walk in Shadow and humbly apologize for you (few?) readers eagerly awaiting that novel.

    Also a further update from Erikson:

    Thanks so much for all your comments and encouragement. To those of you waiting for the trilogy to finish before buying, no need to apologize. Waiting for books sucks. Personally, I wish FoL hadn't taken three years to write. That alone is a long wait for any reader. I think what's made the Kharkanas trilogy so fragile for me is that it was always a risky proposition, in terms of tone, atmosphere and writing style. It's dense stuff, and while the style is seductive (for me) it's also one that requires a certain frame of mind. I wasn't aware of how vulnerable that frame of mind was until it got hammered. It may well turn out that after the first Karsa novel (working title: The God is not Willing), I'll head straight back to Walk in Shadow. Sometimes momentum is all one needs.
     
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  20. The Blackfish

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    Edited that because it confirms a character survives the main series.

    If you’re not finished with the series, the spoiler says he is postponing the final Kharkanas Trilogy novel and starting a new trilogy featuring a known character
     
  21. billdozer

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    My bad :respek:
     
  22. RonBurgundy

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    on book 5,
    FTR it did spoil it for me, but I had read on Wikipedia that that was going to be a future series so wiki spoiled it first
     
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  23. The Blackfish

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    No problem :respek: ftr I’m sad about the delay of AWIS but so fucking pumped about the new trilogy
     
  24. The Blackfish

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    Also who the fuck changed my thread icon to this bullshit
     
  25. Gonff

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    I thought Forge of Darkness was pretty slow. I'll probably start Fall of Light once I finish Oathbringer.

    I'm still firmly on team read anything the man writes.
     
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  27. The Blackfish

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    Who has read Forge of Darkness? I’m almost done and need to talk to someone. Wanted to come here before I scheduled a trip to a therapist
     
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  28. billdozer

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    I read it and Fall of Light last summer or so.
     
  29. The Blackfish

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    this is like a fucking Shakespearian tragedy. Just finished the chapter where Hunn fucking fuckface Raal poisoned the Hust Legion. Fuck this book
     
  30. billdozer

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    Yeah, it's very different from the main series. Raal is a little bitch. I enjoyed it even though it disagrees with a lot from the main series. There's more of the same in the Fall of Light. Then you have the event that splits Rake and Andarist (not sure if it's before the Hust or not) which adds to the Shakespearian tragedy feel. I did like learning more about the Azanathai.
     
  31. The Blackfish

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    the Andarist Anomader split has happened and was the real start of the tragedy feel. Don’t get me wrong I love this book, but it’s difficult to read sometimes and makes me angry
     
  32. billdozer

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    Agreed. I enjoyed the books too, but they were tough to read.
     
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    I want a Tor reread to go along with Forge of Darkness and Fall of Light so badly, there's just so much going on and so much connection to the main series.

    No other Tor reread stopped except for the Malazan one. The excuse given, that Tor was restructuring and handling these things differently is obvious bullshit. The just started an Oathbringer reread and a new Wheel of Time one. This is such fucking bullshit. I'm fucking pissed. The Malazan one was the best one around anyway.

    FUCK
     
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    Has anyone read The Fiends of Nightmaria?

    It's a new Bauchelain and Korbal Broach novella that was released in 2016. I didn't even realize it had been released until just recently.
     
  36. The Blackfish

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    I haven’t, I did just finish The Fall if Light yesterday. Really upset the final Karkhanas book got delayed
     
  37. Gonff

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    You read that one fast. I'm about 50% through.
     
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  38. billdozer

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    Kellanved's Reach (Path to Ascendancy #3) comes out in February 2019.
     
  39. The Blackfish

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    Fuck yes
     
  40. The Blackfish

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    Irush this thread is safe, all spoilers are in spoilers. You will inevitably have questions. Feel free to ask in here.
     
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  41. Gonff

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    I had to reread the GotM wiki just to remind myself what all happened in that book.
     
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  42. The Blackfish

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    It almost feels like a book in a different series by the time it’s over. You think you have an idea about who are the good guys and who are the bad guys and what’s going on, but you have no fucking idea
     
  43. RonBurgundy

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    The Blackfish have you reread any of the books? I feel like they would be faster reads the second time through
     
  44. The Blackfish

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    I was really close to picking up GotM as soon as I finished Deadhouse Landing. I ended up fighting off that urge since I had other things i wanted to read as well... but I will absolutely reread the entire fucking series again. Short stories, side novels and everything. Maybe after Kellanved's Reach but prior to The God is Not Willing, depending on its release date.
     
  45. RonBurgundy

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    Also I think these are the top 10 characters for me:

    Kruppe
    Karsa
    Bottle
    Iskral
    Tehol
    Bugg
    Kalam
    Greyfrog
    Apsalar
    Tool/Kallor/Cotillion

    I’m sure in the next 4 books this list will change
     
  46. The Blackfish

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    I don't even think I can make a list. Too hard. Your are blatantly omitting Fiddler and Kellanved though and that is inexcusable.
     
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  47. RonBurgundy

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    Kellanved is a bad omission but Fiddler is just ok, nothing remarkable.
     
  48. Gonff

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    Tufty is definitely top ten
     
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  49. Irush

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    I’m 100 pages into Gardens and I’m barely keeping my head above water here

    Literally had no idea what was happening during that battle with Moon’s Spawn
     
  50. Gonff

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    Yep, get used to that. He really does just drop you into the world and expect you to figure it out along the way