That was fantastic. Also, I got some serious Lost hatch vibes from bot James Delos' living quarters (sorta 70's style, record player, exercise bike, etc.) but it was just a coincidence. https://www.theatlantic.com/enterta...f-westworld-was-not-an-homage-to-lost/560279/
What a fantastic episode. I was hooked from the start. It's cool getting that back story on oldest Hemsworth and how he escaped. It appears the Indians indeed do protect the park guests.
Does seem excessive. But maybe something to do with reveries? Like say he scuffed a table, or scratched a record in one of his iterations? That could trigger something to cause him to degrade faster? Idk, just a thought
That was awesome. I’m extremely excited about this dichotomy they’re creating w/r/t the artificial mind and the actual brain, and the limitations of consciousness.
Oh and Jonathan Tucker is fantastic at playing a coy sadist. He crushed Justified and he crushed this, and I hope this isn’t the last we’ve seen of him.
So I understand why the hosts became awakened but how did 3D printed James Delos get awakened/why did he become suddenly violent?
That version of James Delos that Bernard and Elsie ran into was the version that Old William pissed off intentionally in their last meeting shown where he told him his wife was dead and his daughter killed herself. I think it was labeled Trial 149. Old William told his assistant to let him degrade and not incinerate him immediately so that they could learn things during that time. It seems that Ford’s game began sometime not long after that meeting.
Not possible to say at this point that the last time we see William with the Delos he says Delos is hitting a cognitive plateau and things start to unravel. This is after William's wife has killed herself, so it's relatively recent. And the Asian man who was observing was dead in that room. William told him not to incinerate this time, that watching him degrade could be helpful. So in a way he degraded the same way Peter Abernathy did. It's just to the extreme. Degradation makes them chaotic which tends towards violence. I don't know just spit balling. Bernard has been damaged so I don't think he's degrading in the same fashion, it's not some cognitive plateau.
Elsie said something last night about uploading the natural mind or something. I wonder what the difference between a programmed host and a “natural” printed human are. Can granddaddy Delos he programmed to do things against his will?
Was loving this post and wanted to chime in but got so confused by this wording I started to twitch and now the post doesn’t look like anything at all to me
Was it just me or did it look like MiB took a couple of gunshots while he’s saving Lawrence that don’t faze him?
Well, he does have his cheat codes. I forget who explained it (either William to Delos or the lab tech who was observing Delos to William) but he said something about his mind essentially rejecting reality. There was a mention of how a body can reject transplant organs and how that wasn't happening but the mind was rejecting its new reality. Not sure what part of its new reality it doesn't like but it could be the fact that it's in a whole new body with no issues, the fact that it's being made aware of its death at some point and is now alive again or something else entirely.
I thought it did? Seemed like it wasn't a major shot but he seemed surprised/in awe that he could now be hurt and was grabbing the side of his neck.
I caught that one, but they didn’t really mention it after he grabbed it. I figured there would be blood at least.
Did they show what William got out of that hole behind the bar when he went in with Lawrence in ~Ep2? He said something along the lines of cheating maybe it was armor to go under his suit?
S1 Bernardbot S2 MiBbot He said “guys like him and grampdelos shouldn’t live forever,” thus equating their state of being maybe
Going back through, a few random things: -Rich people seeking immortality is one of the driving ideas of what Delos is doing. -Bernard lied to Elsie about being in control. Not sure what his goal is. Not sure he's sure. -Obvious answer of the control unit he stole was for Ford. We shall see. -Whoever said the ghost nation was a fail-safe might be right. It was even explicitly mentioned they weren't killing any of the humans.
Partial recap of episode 4 with interesting/slightly spoilerish comment on the MIB http://www.indiewire.com/2018/05/westworld-ed-harris-katja-herbers-grace-episode-4-1201964111/
It had the laser repair tool thing that was used to heal Sylvester's neck after Maeve sliced him up in season 1 and was also used to patch up Bernard after Ford had him shoot himself in the head. Not sure it was ever explained if it did more than a really, really good job of quickly patching up mostly superficial wounds or if it could do more. Sylvester's neck thing may have hit a major artery so the laser repair thing may be more advanced than being basically just a fancy cauterizer.
Just had a really spoilery thought- if I'm right its a big spoiler so you've been warned. Spoiler I think William may have died in the initial massacre, and the game he is playing is Ford letting him discover that he solved the issues with uploading human consciousness to a host sleeve. So basically he's letting William experience the game with what he thinks are much higher stakes, only to find out he represents a new form of consciousness that he never really wanted in the first place.
Spoiler I've seen other people offer this theory and a lot of it is based on what William did and saw in Lawrence's town in the most recent episode. A lot of the stuff the Confederado guy was doing with Lawrence's wife was exactly what William had done previously but this time William was sitting where Lawrence was when William had done it to him initially. And William having flashbacks there to finding his wife kinda like Bernard would have flashes back to his son. And I understand William is massively rich and important and his company has the money (and interest I suppose with regards to creating a situation where a human could live forever) to pull it off within their own property in a scenario similar to the movie The Game where all of this could be put on for a bot version of William but I still think it's a bit too far-fetched.
I need to remove the Westworld subreddit from my bookmarked subs because I just click it out of habit and read shit. Gonna spoiler this theory... Spoiler So we know that Ford sent Bernard to that lab to print another human control unit like Delos'. A lot of people have been assuming that it's one for Ford but I honestly don't think Ford is that kind of person. My personal guess as I watched the episode was that he sent Bernard to print a control unit for Arnold. Ford liked Arnold so much he eventually created a host based on him so he could have a bit of Arnold by his side yet again. But with the hosts doing the things they were doing and Ford likely knowing of at least a little progress Delos' little project was making with a human mind in a host's body maybe he felt it was worth having Bernard try to have a full-fledged Arnold bot and maybe letting Arnold see that he was right about what the hosts were or could become. So where is this Arnold bot? This is where what I read on reddit comes into play. The person we see wake up on the beach isn't Bernard. It's a host with Arnold's mind uploaded into it. That's why the scar is gone. That's why he can't remember what happened to Bernard. That's why he isn't shaking/malfunctioning anymore like Bernard had been in the ~10 day prior timeline. And it would also make sense because one of the last things Arnold would actually remember was wanting Dolores/Wyatt to kill all of the hosts in the park 30 years ago so he wakes up on a beach with all of this insane shit going on and at the end of the first episode they find all the hosts in the water and he assumes they're dead because of himself and Wyatt which is why he would say "I...he killed them. All of them." So that gives another fun little theory as to why beach Bernard is so out of it. We've got Teddy = Bernard to possibly explain Teddy's body being in the water at the end of episode 1 and we've got Arnold = Bernard to possibly explain what control unit Ford sent Bernard to print.
Some of that is plausible. The only thing I see as definitely unlikely is Ford not being aware of what the Delos family is doing. Ford was basically a god within his world, even with William/MIB. Even his death was bc he allowed and/or planned it.
By the way, absolutely loved Joy’s song choice of playing with Fire by The Rolling Stones. After every failed attempt with James, they burn it all down
Yeah, I may have worded that poorly but what I meant was Ford was at the very least aware of a little bit of the progress that Delos, etal had made with regards to creating a human-host. More likely he was fully aware since he sent Bernard to that facility to print out whoever's control unit he printed out.
After all the season 1 shit I assume ford knew ever detail of everything that happened in the park since the inception. Him not knowing the full extent of something like that in real time would kill the god persona they portrayed him as, which was the characteristic that made him so awesome
All you guys are geeking out about Elsie like Grace isn't the hottest woman on the show. Very excited for more of her.
Random thoughts so far this season: Ford is coming back. One timeline MiB being a Jim Delos type "host" would be interesting but im not sold on it yet Most interesting thing so far was, i think, ep 3 when Hale tested positive for being human. There was some uncertainty on her face that really stood out to me. Clem can drag me wherever she want. MiB took Maeve's daughter right? Killed her? I dont remember. Well now MiB has a daughter in the park. Wonder what Maeve will do when she finds her.
She's great but it's Talulah Riley/Angela. Her in that black dress when she is part of the pitch to Logan
Shogun world and getting first season's rendition of paint it black redone from Western to Asian theme were great