George Martin sucks, read Brandon Sanderson Instead

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  1. Lawnole23

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    Yeah not going to read it solely out of spite.
     
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  2. BP

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    It's still fascinating that in September 2015, he was sure he could finish it by December 2015. But now in April 2018, he knows there's no way it's coming out in 2018 at all.
     
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  3. RockHardJawn39

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    I wonder if there's still any holdouts in this thread that think he'll finish this book or Longshot the series
     
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  4. Nostradumass

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    Yeah I think he'll finish WOW, but ADOS will never be done (at least not by him).
     
  5. NCHusker

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    I think he's done but hasn't realized it or admitted it to himself yet.
     
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  7. Codename Duchess

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    A Dance With Dragons was released 2-3 months after season one of GoT premiered. We are going to get an entire television series before he finishes one book.
     
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  8. Larry Sura

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    Such a piece of shit. He knows how the story ends and he still can’t finish the series
     
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  9. Truman

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    Is it a novella or a source book?
     
  10. 34

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    Source book. Just an expanded version of AWOIAF
     
  11. Truman

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    Lame.
     
  12. Nostradumass

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    I assumed it was his version of The Silmarillion.
     
  13. zeberdee

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    this fucker has a new show coming out on syfy too.
     
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  14. DuckD

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    Well, if you know you're not writing it...
    I mean, the book can't write itself.
     
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  15. Imurhuckleberry

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    Hell, when he made the decision to split book 4 he said book five was pretty much done and would come out the following year. Let's face it, the mereneese knot broke grrm and outside of the week mechanism the show used it was going to be hard to bring it all together. I
     
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  16. DirtBall

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    He should of stuck to his original plan and done the 7 year skip after a SoS. He doesn’t know what he wants to do now and will never figure it out.
     
  17. Nostradumass

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    he's famously said he has the ending of most major characters and the overall story laid out, but how he gets there is not known. He just sort of writes his way to it and figures it out along the way.

    Which is why he does so much rewriting; he doesn't put in any prelim work and has to double back and fix and add as he goes.

    It's maddening.
     
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  18. NCHusker

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    I read a story that at one point for one of his books he turned in an unfinished draft to his editor as like a progress check, then six months later he turned in a draft that was like 200 pages shorter.
     
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  19. Nostradumass

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    He wrote like five different versions of who sailed into Meereen and when in Dance with Dragons. Not just a single chapter, but the half dozen chapters that followed, and then chose which one he preferred, chucking like one hundred pages of unusable material.

    What a sloppy, waste of time, way to write a book.
     
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  20. DirtBall

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    Hence the “Meereens knot”.
     
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  21. DirtBall

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    It’s crazy. Ten years ago that “Fire and Blood” book would of made jizz in my pants. Now I don’t even care.
     
  22. Nostradumass

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    Right but I mean he made such a stink about that when all he needed to do was map out even a loose outline
     
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  23. Illinihockey

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    Yup, if Winds of Winter ever comes out I'll read it, but I don't care if it does now.
     
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  24. Larry Sura

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    He doesn’t deserve this series.
     
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  25. Illinihockey

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    It was all over when HBO picked up the series. It meant he could make a ton of money without providing new content.
     
  26. 34

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    That’s a weird take. What doesn’t he deserve?
     
  27. Imurhuckleberry

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    Someone to finish it for him.
     
  28. Larry Sura

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    The series. It’s such an amazing story, the creator of it should have been someone who could finish it.
     
  29. Craig Pettis

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    Between this and the internet discovering and spoiling his grand master twist of R+L = J, I think he decided to sit back, rest on the body of work he had already written, and let the cash roll in
     
  30. Jax Teller

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    Simple or not the show solved stupid fucking knot in like 15 minutes. If he gave one fuck a out his legacy or the fans or the story itself he could solve it and finish it. But he doesn't and he won't.

    Shit at this point I bet most fans wouldn't care if the next book had Dany on her way to Westeros from the start and just use flashbacks to give everyone a glimpse of what happened.
     
  31. RockHardJawn39

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    3. Bargaining
     
  32. 34

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    He created it, he’s earned exactly what he’s gotten out of it. Now as fans, do we deserve better? For sure
     
  33. GuyOnA_Buffalo

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    I don’t feel like he owes me anything. But I’m also not a cunt.
     
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    The show has been absolutely awful since getting past the book material, though.
     
  35. Lawnole23

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    I don't agree it's awful. It's still great television just not as good when they had the source material. Not sure what everyone expects from them. They have an extremely complicated story with a dozen story lines at once and get left with no source material to help them for the last 3-4 seasons. Trying to come up with how to get from point A-B with no source material in a satisfying way is going to be extremely difficult.
     
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  36. zeberdee

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    the writing is pretty awful. overall the show is still entertaining though.
     
  37. NCHusker

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    This
     
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  38. Lorne Malvo

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    I disagree with this take if only because season 6's finale which is still (imo) the best episode of the series. Not to mention Hardhome, Hold the Door, etc.
     
  39. Houndster

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    Is that Battle of the Bastards? That was one of the worst IMO (not counting the most recent season, which had CW level writing)
     
  40. NCHusker

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    They're all fun episodes and I enjoyed watching them.

    But the writing for each episode was still not great. Plot holes, questionable character motivations, inconsistencies exist in each of those episodes. But they were still incredibly well-produced episodes of television that were very enjoyable. That's all in spite of the writing.
     
  41. Nostradumass

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    It's going to be interesting to see how they do the final season, which will basically be 8 (or however many) feature length TV movies; very different from the long and meandering storytelling style that GRRM writes with and which the show mostly followed for the first 6 years or so.

    It's crazy to go back and see how almost perfectly translated A Game of Thrones was to the show's first season.
     
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  42. Lorne Malvo

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    Winds of Winter. Episode where the sept is blown up.
     
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  43. GuyOnA_Buffalo

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    At least they’re writing.
     
  44. Nostradumass

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  46. Codename Duchess

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    No time to finish Winds of Winter. Gotta write this animated movie first.

     
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    Ugh
     
  48. Nostradumass

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    The official translator of ASOIAF into Chinese (Mandarin?) says WOW will be out in 2019.

    *sigh*

    When the first book was written, I was the same age as Jon and Robb were. Now, I'm the same age as Ned.