Man that sucks. Probably pushes up the time frame for when we could see Funkhouser and Burrows this year.
while not ideal, this isn't the end of the world. Fulmer getting this fixed and being set back 12-18 months while they aren't competitive won't hurt the team much and probably fits their timeline better anyway. Plus good recovery and he probably has more trade value than last year when teams began to question if he just isn't that good.
I get what you're saying, but...he's essentially missing the next 2 seasons. Even if "healthy" next year, his arm won't be near 100%.
Are we sure about that? TJS feels almost standard at this point. Guys come back pretty strong w/in a year I thought. Why cant he be pitching by June 20?
Maybe he can. And I'm sure it's a lot better. But I can't imagine his arm will be at it's normal strength at that point or at any point that season. I could be way off though.
Scouts have been saying since Fulmer came up that he would be getting injured. He’s a fat fuck, with horrible throwing motion.
Thing is his throwing motion looks pretty standard to my eye. Wonder what it was they didnt like about him, but then a really unorthodox RHP motion like Scherzer can pile up 200 IPs in to his mid 30s
Yup. Dbacks gave up on Scherzer because they didn't think they could fix him and he was gonna break down quickly. I still recall how pissed my Dback fan brother was when they flipped him to us.
You can find scouts to say that that every power pitcher coming up is going to get injured because, at this point, most of them do get injured.
I thought it was 18 months until full strength, but that might be outdated. Does his service time stall?
It's 12-14 months to be able to throw at full strength, usually. Seems like it usually takes another 6-12 months to get back to normal in terms of command and such. Don't think his service time stalls because they can't send him to the minors with the injury. He'll go on the 60 day and we get relief on the 40 man roster.
You've been pissed off all offseason about how they weren't cheap enough when signing these FAs to one year deals, and it seems like you're the one in favor of non-tendering him.
He'll get a shitload less than a Tyson Ross did from us this year, and probably not much more than Matt Moore's $2.5M.
That's not necessarily how arbitration works, but I'm not exactly sure what happens in these situations so I don't know for sure.
It would take a heap of balls for the Tigers to offer less than they offered this year, and a heap of balls for Team Fulmer to ask for more than he got this year.
Arbitration works to keep salaries down. Your first year, you're supposed to make about 40% of what arb considers your market value to be. In year 2, it's around 60%. I'm guessing his team will argue that, even with the injury, his value from his first 3 seasons makes him worth more than $3M or whatever he got. I don't know how all that works, but arbitration isn't just a 1-year thing. Your entire career is part of it.
Without knowing how it has been treated in the past, the argument that a player's value stayed the the same over a year passing where he didn't record a statistic for an entire MLB year while being paid and accumulating service time seems specious. So I guess the question is whether the downtime means his market value went down enough to offset the percentage increase. But part of his FMV would be his team control, and he just burned a chunk of it sitting out 2019 and getting back into it in 2020.
Arbitration is weird and you can only argue certain things, so I don't know how it would work in this case. If his agents are able to do this, though, they could argue that the value of pitchers coming off TJ in FA has gone up significantly in recent years. Garrett Richards just got 2/$15M this winter from SD despite them knowing he's going to miss 2019. Michael Pineda got 2/$10M a year ago from Minnesota in the same situation. If they can argue that, I would think that helps him.
Don't put that evil on me. I think Turnbull is at best a good set up man long term. I wouldn't expect much. Definitely seems like they like him, though, and his arm has really come on since the middle of last season after TJ and other arm issues earlier in his career. He's a former 2nd round pick, but he's already 26 and has been in the system forever.
Some draft stuff before the season. We pick fifth. There's a consensus top 2 currently, followed by a big group after them. Adley Rutschman, C - consensus top player, he's going #1 overall barring a massive change Andrew Vaughn, 1B - consensus #2 player currently destroying the Pac 12 (.414/.580/.793 with 7 HR and 8 K). He's likely going #2 CJ Abrams, SS - HS SS likely to move to CF or 2B with a lot of speed Bobby Witt Jr., SS - Likely to stick at SS, but a lot of questions about his bat and he's really old for a HS eligible Bryson Stott, SS - UNLV kid likely to stick at SS who can hit well enough to be a top of the order guy Corbin Carroll, OF - HS CF whose profile reads a lot like Kelenic's from last year, only smaller with a little more speed Kameron Misner, OF - Mizzou athlete who was hurt last year but good to start this year and could end up at CF, RF or 1B Riley Greene, OF - HS corner OF who is a really good hitter, but some think isn't athletic enough and doesn't have enough pop Michael Busch, OF - UNC corner OF who is probably more polished than Misner, but not as athletic or projectable Josh Jung, 3B - Texas Tech 3B with power but might have to move to 1B J.J. Bleday, OF - Vandy corner OF who was really good on the Cape and in the top 10 range We haven't taken a SS in the first or second rounds in the last 15 years, I believe, so no one thinks we'll take Abrams, Witt or Stott right now. Current best guess would be one of Misner, Jung or Bleday, based on previous history, although Greene and Carroll are both interesting guys depending on what they're looking for. Currently there aren't any pitchers who would be considered consensus top 10 picks, let alone top 5.
Not anymore. They cover the stuff after the top 100 better than anyone, but I didn't care about enough of the stuff the other months to subscribe year-round. There's so much other stuff now with Fangraphs, Law, MLBPipeline and others for free or cheap.
Yeah I was just looking at fan graphs top 100. They have Stott at 5. I would take a SS in this draft class.
I would be surprised, but think that would be a good pick. If I had to bet on a guy right now, I think it would be Misner. The Tigers love the SEC and college hitters, although Misner has fallen off a bit after a really hot start. The guys I have the hardest time with them on are Abrams, Greene and Carroll. Carroll seems least likely, given his size, being from Washington and previous history. Some people really like Greene (fangraphs guys think he could be Kirilloff, while Law has him outside the top 15). Abrams' report reads a lot like Royce Lewis from a couple years ago.
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Avila says Mize is starting the season in Lakeland and high A ball. Hoping he bumps up to Erie quickly because a Mize, Manning, Perez, Faedo rotation would be fun.