Official Philadelphia Eagles Thread - This is Howie Do It

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  1. BuckeyeRiot

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    This.

    DL/RB. Our DEs need some young blood.
     
  2. George Costanza

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    I like David Montgomery or Darrell Henderson or Trayveon Williams at RB if they decide to go that route

    People trashed him in the pre-draft process, but Jachai Polite is legit. The guy was all over the field for Florida last year and he’s a good dude. If he falls to bottom of the 2nd/early 3rd I’m good with that

    Safety - Adderley out of Delaware and Gardner-Johnson I’m very interested in even though it’s not an immediate need
     
  3. Gritty Badger

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    Think a DE is far more likely than a DT with Long probably not coming back and Curry on a 1 yr deal and Howie in charge, but would prefer a S with range before anything else. Unless Nelson gets dealt just don't see a WR.

    Give me one of Adderley, Thornhill, or G-J and then Montgomery or Sanders and I'd be happy. Most likely will be a DE in one of those picks though
     
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  4. George Costanza

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    Think we’re on the same page here. DE is thin for the long term and potentially this season with Long up in the air. Think the hang up might be the Eagles trying to squeeze him on money so if the board doesn’t fall in a way to get some sort of rusher today then maybe they just pay him

    I can speak the most on CGJ. Honestly I fucking hated him his first two years at UF. Couldn’t tackle worth a shit, talked a lot and didn’t back it up. But last year he completely evolved with some good coaching. Extremely versatile - has played corner, nickel, safety. He suddenly became a sound tackler and didn’t shy away from contact. Stepped up as a big time vocal leader on defense. Was constantly barking out calls and adjustments and getting the young guys in the right position. He really impressed me and totally redeemed himself and lived up to his talent level.
     
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  5. Gritty Badger

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    I like CGJ a lot. Eagles are gonna role with 3 safeties on the field a ton moving forward and Corey Graham shows what can happen when that 3rd safety is a weak link. Plus Jenkins and McLeod aren't going to hold up forever. S feels like a pretty important spot to get right here for two to three years down the road.
     
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  6. George Costanza

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    100%
     
  7. The B1G Kucktis

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    Sounds like they might try to trade Big V.
     
  8. George Costanza

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    Would make sense if he’s balked at any kind of team friendly extension. Now with Dillard in the fold and V set for free agency after this season, would make sense to get something for him now. Also hinges on their belief in Mailata
     
  9. Gritty Badger

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    I doubt they even tried to extend him with the Aussie and Pyror and certainly one of the first few picks in this draft going to OL. He was really poor last year.
     
  10. AIP

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    Any chance miles sanders is there at 52 ?
     
  11. NDfanPSUgrad

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    What are the needs for the eagles? Any chance to take a CB soon? I’d like to see ND Julian Love on the Eagles.
     
  12. Gritty Badger

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    Would be low on the need side of things. Roster is at the point they can go BPA
     
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  13. Gritty Badger

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    He’ll be there at 57
     
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  14. Racki

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    Sanders it is
     
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  15. BuckeyeRiot

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    Don’t hate the Sanders pick. Probably a real good compliment to Howard this year.
     
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    Like it too as long as he gets his fumbling under control.
     
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  17. NDfanPSUgrad

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    I like the jj arcega-whiteside pickup. Dude just catches everything.
     
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  18. AIP

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    I called it !!!
     
  19. George Costanza

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    Fairly convincing argument. Certainly intrigued with the idea of Alston, Ertz, Goedert, and Whiteside in the redzone

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/ne...jaff&cjevent=9b50150068f811e98306007c0a24060d

    Why Stanford's JJ Arcega-Whiteside is a top-three wideout in the 2019 NFL Draft

    Over the past half decade, wide receiver has seemingly evolved into the most difficult position to scout in the entire sport. The NFL’s track record at the position ever since the blockbuster 2014 receiver class has been nightmarish, to say the least. Here are all the first-rounders since then:

    That hit rate is abysmal. Only one receiver of the bunch put up 1,000 yards last season (Amari Cooper). Six others drafted over that span hit 1,000 yards last season: Tyreek Hill (pick 165), JuJu Smith-Schuster(pick 62), Michael Thomas (pick 47), Kenny Golladay(pick 96), Tyler Boyd (pick 55), and Stefon Diggs (pick 146). Looking at the list of names above and the list of players drafted later that have turned into stars, one can see why scouting the position is so difficult. There’s no logical common thread tying either list of receivers together.

    That’s why when scouting wideouts, I prioritize two things above all others. The first is non-negotiable and it’s ball skills. The ability to accurately track a football, position one’s self between that ball and the defender, and pluck it out of the air is a necessity in the NFL. There were 18 1,000 yard receivers last season and they had, on average, 25 contested catch opportunities a piece throughout the season with only Amari Cooper having fewer than 15 such chances. Unless you are truly special separating from defenders, you’re going to have to be able to make tough catches at the NFL level to be a number one receiver.

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    The other biggest trait I prioritize isn’t really a specific trait at all. It’s what I refer to as a ‘trump card’. In essence, something a receiver does at a truly elite level. Whether that’s speed, body control, route running, releases, etc., I want to see a special trait that I know will translate to the NFL. This is why Stanford wide receiver J.J. Arcega-Whiteside, with good not great production and question marks about his athleticism/separation is still a top-three wide receiver on PFF’s big board. No one in this class possesses a better combination of ball skills and body control than the 6-2, 225-pound wideout.

    While that’s obviously an opinion, our data vehemently backs up that claim. A lot of guys get tagged as being good at contested catches. Arcega-Whiteside is on his own level though. He led the entire draft class in contested catches with 17 on 29 attempts (58.6 percent). That wasn’t a fluke as he also led the draft class in 2017 as well with 18 on 35 attempts (anything over 50 percent is elite). He also drew 14 penalties this past season, the second most in the country, in large part because of how talented he is at tracking and positioning himself down the field.

    One need look no further than Arcega-Whiteside’s patented ‘box out’ fades to realize how special he is at the catch point.



    By our count, Arcega-Whiteside hauled in 7-of-11 targets for touchdowns on this exact play in 2018 with multiple other penalties drawn. It’s difficult to explain how absurd his efficiency is on that play. It’s so incredibly tough to execute with any sort of regularity that basically no one else in college football runs fades like this. If other guys could come close to a 50 percent success rate, you’d be an idiot not to go to it every time around the goalline. It takes a rare combination of skills to execute the way Arcega-Whiteside did this past season, and while I’m not saying he’ll be able to run the same play in the NFL, it’s indicative of a skillset that will be valuable at the next level.

    The counterpoint to all this is obviously that he had so many contested targets because of an inability to separate that will only get exacerbated at the next level. This is a fair criticism, but I think it needs more context. The route tree that Arcega-Whiteside was running at Stanford was not one conducive to gaping windows. Even disregarding the box out fades which were contested by design, Arcega-Whiteside was almost exclusively asked to run downfield ‘silo’ routes. That’s not a route tree that someone without top-end speed is going to consistently separate on.

    When Arcega-Whiteside was dialed up double moves:



    Or underneath/intermediate routes:

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    You saw a nuanced route runner who can get himself clean with his release and separate from defenders with his physicality. He just wasn’t often given that chance. 857 of his 1,059 yards came on targets 10+ yards downfield. His 14.9 average depth of target was the third deepest among Power-5 receivers with at least 1,000 yards. Arcega-Whiteside wasn’t thrown a single screen all season long. The big man wasn’t ‘schemed’ production, he had to work for all of those yards and even still targeting him resulted in a passer rating of 135.6 – the third highest in the country. Arcega-Whiteside has one of the biggest trump cards of any receiver in this class and deserves more first-round hype.
     
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  20. George Costanza

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    Pretty meh Day 3. Hands were pretty much tied though unless we dealt a player or future pick to get up in the 4th.

    Miller pick may suggest Long won’t be back. Just hope Jernigan can stay healthy because I think Malik Jackson could get some snaps at end. Not sold on anyone behind Graham, Barnett, and Curry at end
     
  21. BuckeyeRiot

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    I was shocked they didn’t exit the 2nd round with a DE.
     
  22. George Costanza

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    Think it's a great pick up

    Eagles signed LB Zach Brown, formerly of the Redskins, to a one-year contract.
    Released by the Redskins in a salary-cap move in March, it's somewhat surprising it took this long for Brown to find a new home. Brown doesn't turn 30 until after the season starts and graded out as Pro Football Focus' No. 3 off-ball linebacker out of 61 qualifiers last season, behind only Luke Kuechly and Bobby Wagner. After losing Jordan Hicks in free agency, Brown is a quality replacement in the middle of the Eagles' defense.
     
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    Also claimed Blake Countess on waivers. Safety room looks much more competitive.
     
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  25. Hank Scorpio

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    Good times!

     
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  26. WillySaliba

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    I hope you get some help buddy.
     
  27. The B1G Kucktis

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    tbf, Tampa Bay has only one playoff win since then.
     
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    Tampa gonna Tampa.
     
  29. George Costanza

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    Sucks to see Sudfeld go down.

    But Howie back to his old tricks. Just traded for DE Eli Harold for an undrafted rookie offensive lineman. Extremely low risk with the chance Harold might push Josh Sweat at end.
     
  30. The B1G Kucktis

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    Go Birds
     
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  31. WillySaliba

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    Sproles usage is absolutely fucking maddening.
     
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  32. George Costanza

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    Said the same thing to my dad. No idea why the fuck they even bothered to bring him
     
  33. George Costanza

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    I think we can officially say that Chip should be euthanized and banned from football after forcing DeSean out
     
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  34. AIP

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    Missed the deep threat of Jackson
     
  35. AIP

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    Slow start but once they got rolling wow
     
  36. George Costanza

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    Foles broken collarbone. Hate that for him.
     
  37. WillySaliba

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    Unlike Agholor.
     
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    Saw Agholor is trying to get twitter to help him get in concoct with that guy to give him tickets. Good on him
     
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  39. George Costanza

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    Great news: we hardly used Sproles tonight. Please feed Howard every fucking week.

    Howie - time to go get Ramsey. These corners are absolute trash. Every one of them is expendable, although I do like Maddox in the slot but he proved he is clearly incapable on the outside tonight.
     
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    I’m fine getting Ramsey but think the pass rush was better tonight. Need Fletch 100% and the corners don’t look like dogshit.
     
  41. WillySaliba

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    Wish they would have run more but I was happy with running more and less Sproles for sure.
     
  42. George Costanza

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    This ain't Ramsey...


    Eagles acquired LB Duke Riley and a 2020 sixth-round pick from the Falcons in exchange for S Johnathan Cyprien and a 2020 seventh-round pick.
    Riley was a third-round pick in 2017, going 75th overall out of LSU. In college, Riley didn't start until his final season but blew up the Senior Bowl and Combine with his athleticism -- 4.58 forty and 6.89 three-cone times -- to put himself in the Day 2 conversation. Riley, however, couldn't crack the Falcons' defense this year and will get a fresh start as an upside flyer for the Eagles.
     
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  43. WillySaliba

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    And we’re back to Sproles on offense. Why?
     
  44. The B1G Kucktis

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    Doug’s obsession with him is bizarre
     
  45. WillySaliba

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    It absolutely kills me and I know more than a few of you were where I am 2 years ago. Looking forward to running into the red zone and then going spread from the gun 3 plays.
     
  46. WillySaliba

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    Holy fuck they ran it. Weird.
     
  47. AIP

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    It’s a win and I am happy
     
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    That falcons loss still kills me.
     
  49. AIP

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    I was thinking the lions one stings
     
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    I really really hope the Seahawks game doesn’t get flexed out, but I really think it’s going to.
     
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