Official Investing Thread

Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Joe Louis, Jul 12, 2010.

  1. dukebuckeye

    dukebuckeye I’m OK with your low opinion of me.
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    I’d say jump into ATEC. AtriCure is at its highest point in three years, but seems to keep climbing. I’ll let you make that call.
     
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  2. dukebuckeye

    dukebuckeye I’m OK with your low opinion of me.
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    Shhhhhhhh
     
  3. billdozer

    billdozer Well-Known Member
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    I bought 500 shares at $1.59 to play along. Going well so far.
     
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  4. construxboy

    construxboy xenForo is the new TMB
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    This seems to be more the Official Trading Thread...
     
  5. RockHardJawn39

    RockHardJawn39 #FranklinOUT
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    please tag me when it's time to sell these things. Thanks
     
  6. dukebuckeye

    dukebuckeye I’m OK with your low opinion of me.
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    Sell when it feels right. I plan on holding until it hits $20+ or completely tanks.
     
  7. Sportfan

    Sportfan From Six to Dumptime
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    Yea we aren’t going down the right path in this thread with the insider trading stuff. Let’s squash that please.
     
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  8. billdozer

    billdozer Well-Known Member
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    This was 0.1% of my account that I tossed in. Not like I'm laying my portfolio on it. Although I am regretting my emerging markets part of my hold portfolio at the moment.
     
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  9. dukebuckeye

    dukebuckeye I’m OK with your low opinion of me.
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    I assure you I have no inside information. Just a dummy that is making educated guesses.
     
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  10. Sportfan

    Sportfan From Six to Dumptime
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    your post doesn’t read that way at all, someone in the industry that’s being tipped off makes it seem like you have non public information
     
  11. 1

    1 A real fan. GBR!
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    Take it to the FCC complaint thread
     
  12. Imurhuckleberry

    Imurhuckleberry Avid spectator of windmill warriors
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    So my dream has always been to purchase a lake front campground and run that till they put me in the old folks home. I've been saving money towards that for a few years and looking to purchase in about 3 years. They were originally asking 1.8 for it but went to a realtor recently who suggested they should be asking for 2.7. bit of a shocking jump on something that I thought was pretty much a done deal. I'm curious whether it's even viable at that price point so am thinking I need to seek advice from a professional here. Any idea who I would talk to about something like this?
     
  13. Struggler

    Struggler Well-Known Member
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    I’ve got this fish on the line at $1.8. Raised the price to $2.7. Did I get too greedy?
     
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  14. Imurhuckleberry

    Imurhuckleberry Avid spectator of windmill warriors
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    It's not that I don't think. They are life long friends who are looking to retire. Property is probably worth over 3 if I was to allow development. They want me to take it over because it's the closest to keeping it in the family they can do. And they want to make sure it stays a camp ground instead of condos or big vacation homes. They are willing to negotiate and act as my bank for the first five years or so. It was a smoking deal now I'm not so sure. Need to find someone who knows what data to get and how to look at it.
     
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  15. dukebuckeye

    dukebuckeye I’m OK with your low opinion of me.
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    :runforrest:
     
  16. Struggler

    Struggler Well-Known Member
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    We talking Sonoma or Mendocino county?
     
  17. Imurhuckleberry

    Imurhuckleberry Avid spectator of windmill warriors
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    North Woods near the great lakes.
     
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  18. NC Wolfpack

    NC Wolfpack Go Pack Go
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    Bought 100 at 1.61 yesterday. Hoorah
     
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  19. dukebuckeye

    dukebuckeye I’m OK with your low opinion of me.
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    Guys...I think we are driving up the market
     
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  20. Struggler

    Struggler Well-Known Member
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    Thanks for buying my shares, suckers.
     
  21. Ty Webb

    Ty Webb Living rent free in Jigga's head
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    Probably a CPA that specializes in business valuations
     
  22. beist

    beist Hyperbolist
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    Take it to the pump and dump board
     
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  23. momux

    momux AFAM Scholar
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    As someone who used to be a CPA who specialized in business valuations, I wouldn't recommend it.
     
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  24. gocams

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    Lots of ways to look at RE deals. You are buying a hybrid... business and RE. You want to be an owner occupant, you are their ideal buyer. Im not center of the bullseye to eval with you as I am primarily in flex/adaptive reuse. But, I have owned smaller MHPs, RV/storage, and am familiar with sector of market. You have a great opportunity with the relationship here.
     
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  25. jrmy

    jrmy For bookings contact Morgan at 702-374-3735
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    I haven’t had this much fun since the summer of 2017 in the crypto thread
     
  26. Ty Webb

    Ty Webb Living rent free in Jigga's head
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    curious, what would you suggest?
     
  27. momux

    momux AFAM Scholar
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    To be fair, don't necessarily have a better idea and it may help him get leverage in the negotiations but basically valuations (especially on privately held small companies) are built on a set of unvalidated assumptions that the client provides. The CPA firm may be able to gauge an approximate value within 30-40%, but almost every one I was involved with was always way higher than what the true fair market price should have been because of the expectations of the client.
     
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  28. Ty Webb

    Ty Webb Living rent free in Jigga's head
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    Good points. Anything is probably better than a number from the seller's realtor though!! ha
     
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  29. Imurhuckleberry

    Imurhuckleberry Avid spectator of windmill warriors
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    The other issue, besides having never done anything like this before, is that they do a lot of cash business. Because of that they tend to show a loss almost every year. However there lifestyle is the one I dream of. They work their asses off for 7 months of the year and then travel for the other five months. They purchased from the father at a much lower price quite a while ago. I don't necessarily need the fancy cars and multiple houses they have but I definitely don't want to have to work my ass off at a second job in the off season just to cover the nut.
     
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  30. texasraider

    texasraider thanks
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    I would put together a business plan and see what it will take to turn a profit
     
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  31. All_Luck

    All_Luck OK. Cool Husk em!
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    It’s pizza stock season. Call options on Domino’s and Papa Johns during SB week have yet to fail me over past 5 years.
     
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  32. RockHardJawn39

    RockHardJawn39 #FranklinOUT
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    Explain this to me like I'm 5
     
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  33. Jimmy the Saint

    Jimmy the Saint The future is a benevolent black hole
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    People order a lot of pizza during the Super Bowl.
     
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  34. All_Luck

    All_Luck OK. Cool Husk em!
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  35. momux

    momux AFAM Scholar
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  36. burnttatertot

    burnttatertot butt tuck zoomies
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    Like many stocks this week, 3M is on sale. Dividend kings nearing a 52 week low. $158 a pop is $100 lower than it was January 2018.
     
  37. The Milkman

    The Milkman Send lawyers, guns and money, shit has hit the fan
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    The Tesla valuation seems extremely overbought relative to the financials. Bought quite a few cheap June put options and will hold until this things dips and then pull the trigger. I’m willing to blow $5k at the opportunity to profit on the dip during the first hint of supply chain issues.

    I’ll probably regret this like Gallant Knight
     
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  38. Arliden

    Arliden Well-Known Member
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    Q1 is seasonally their weakest and tax credits in certain countries (e.g. Netherlands) were reduced starting Jan 1st 2020, so its a decent bet Q1 wont be great. Additionally like almost everyone they have exposure to China with their new factory and expanding sales there so who knows how sales (or production) will be affected by the corona virus.

    On the other hand this stock is completely unhinged with reality at the moment and has certain catalysts like the china factory mentioned as well as beginning production on their new little CUV in March.
     
  39. dukebuckeye

    dukebuckeye I’m OK with your low opinion of me.
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    This is a perfect summary.
     
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  40. The Milkman

    The Milkman Send lawyers, guns and money, shit has hit the fan
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    Unhinged is probably the best description haha.

    On another note, Chinese markets are opening again on Monday for the first time since Jan 24th. Should be interesting to see what type of monetary policy the CCP will use to avoid a huge sell off by anxious investors, who have been freaking out since the 24th
     
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  41. burnttatertot

    burnttatertot butt tuck zoomies
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    Tesla is trash, the numbers don't compute.
     
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  42. Det. Frank Bullitt

    Det. Frank Bullitt God Bless Texas
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  43. burnttatertot

    burnttatertot butt tuck zoomies
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    I don't like the pharma stocks long term but thinking about picking up some AbbVie.
     
  44. Arliden

    Arliden Well-Known Member
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    Another 12% today.
     
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  45. letan

    letan Just looking for the gator board
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    For the people in this thread that have the option of a traditional 401k and a roth 401k at work, how are you guys splitting your contributions? I’ve gone back and forth from all one way to all the other along with some splits but am looking to update my percentages and figured I’d see what others are doing.
     
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  46. Lyrtch

    Lyrtch My second favorite meat is hamburger
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    I go all 401k then do backdoor Roth. Will probably have lower tax burden in retirement and I'll take the guaranteed tax savings now where I can get it
     
  47. Bo Pelinis

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    I do all Roth 401k
     
  48. billdozer

    billdozer Well-Known Member
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    I did 100% Roth for my first 15 years (with 6% match to pretax). I've researched more and decided I need more traditional so I've switched to 100% pretax and use the savings to go towards a Roth IRA.

    The main decider is do you think you will be in a higher tax bracket in retirement.

    You have to remember that in retirement that you need to fill in the lower tax brackets first before you get into the 22% tax bracket. With the standard deduction a married couple will have $24,400 of income tax free. Then they will pay 10% tax on the next $19,050 of income. Then they will be paying 12% on the next $58,350. What this means is that you will need taxable income of $101,800 before you break into the 22% tax bracket and only everything above the $101,800 will be taxed at 22%. You would need $2.5 million in pretax accounts to withdraw $100,000 at a 4% rate.

    All that is with current tax rates, but the theory is the same.
     
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  49. ohbluefan

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    Today at 4 pm I’m switching my 401k from a vanguard 2040 fund (expected retirement year) to a 2015 fund. The 2015 has more bonds than stocks and I’m hoping to ease the eventual fallout from this 11 year bull run...bad move or nah?
     
  50. billdozer

    billdozer Well-Known Member
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    Who knows. Many times in this run they've said it's ending. The hard part about market timing is knowing when to get out or in.

    What if the market runs up another 20% before a 10% drop? Will you wait for a bigger drop to reallocate? Of course, you're still in, just with more bonds, so you won't fully get any runup or down spike.
     
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