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  1. mustang66

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    Absolutely embarrassing effort from the defense in the second quarter. Time of possession don’t mean a damn thing when you give up TD drives like that
     
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  2. UncleItchyBalls

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    gotta get a stop to start the 2nd half or this could be over quick
     
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    Adoree is scared shitless out there
     
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  4. mustang66

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    Oh well. Hate to go out this way but we had a hell of a run
     
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    Punting there was conceding defeat. I know its 4th and long but we absolutely needed points on that drive.
     
  6. Jax Teller

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    We went to shit in the second quarter. Not sure if playcalling, execution or both but we turtled up.
     
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    well the last 3 months were fun. Next year should be too. I am looking forward to seeing what really talented defenders Robinson adds through the draft and how we approach the OL after not picking up Conklin's fifth-year option
     
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    We've got to shore up the secondary with the QBs we have to face.
     
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    Ok down 11, just need a turnover return for a touchdown and recover an onside kick and score with no time left to win. Pretty easy.
     
  11. Jax Teller

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    What a weak fucking call. They let worse go all game.
     
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    So what do we go with in the first 2 rounds in the draft? I'm thinking DB and an edge rusher. We need to find an elite blitzer. I've been pleased with Landry but I don't think he'll ever be a star. We've been lacking a dominant pass rusher for a while now
     
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    Tight bhole by coaching staff after KC made adjustments on defense and Tennessee didn't make them on offense to keep the run game going.
     
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    Great start and abysmal finish. Team made it farther than I ever expected and between our OL, Henry, AJ, Rashaan, & Simmons we've got some great youth to build around
     
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    Pees retiring and Coombs going back to OSU. So we'll be getting at least a new DC and DB coach
     
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    a look at looming personnel decisions from Glennon:

    Judging from social media, Jon Robinson managed to have a very happy 44th birthday last Saturday night in Kansas City. The Titans general manager spent part of his evening celebrating with fans at a bar on the eve of the team’s biggest game in two decades.

    And despite the Titans’ loss to the Chiefs the following day, Robinson had to be pleased overall with the pluck of a team that rebounded from a 2-4 start to advance to the AFC Championship Game.

    But now it’s time for Robinson to roll up his sleeves and dive into some difficult offseason work: Eighteen Titans players — a whopping 34 percent of the team’s 53-man roster — have contracts that will expire in March, leaving them as unrestricted free agents. So over the next couple of months, Robinson and his staff will have to figure out which players they want back and how best to afford them.

    The good news is that, per Spotrac.com, the Titans are close to $60 million under the projected 2020 salary cap. In addition, the team could add cap room by cutting some veterans who might not fit into the long-term picture.

    Still, crafting the Titans’ offseason re-signing plan will be challenging, especially in regards to players such as quarterback Ryan Tannehill and running back Derrick Henry. There’s always the possibility that the signing of one or two free agents could impact the chances of getting deals done with one or two more.

    So which of the Titans’ pending unrestricted free agents are most important to re-sign? Below is a stab at the team’s top-10 priorities.

    A couple of disclaimers: One, quarterback Marcus Mariota won’t be returning to be the No. 2 quarterback, so there was no point in putting him in the top 10. Two, this isn’t necessarily a ranking of players in terms of talent, but rather of importance to the Titans moving forward.

    (1) Quarterback Ryan Tannehill
    Choosing Tannehill as the top priority over Henry was obviously a very close call, one that could have gone either way. But the main rationale is simple: Quarterback is the most important position on the field, and — as the Titans have learned over the course of decades — it’s tough to win consistently when playing at a disadvantage here. Is it a risk to sign Tannehill to a long-term contract, given that he’s only excelled for one season with the team? Sure, but remember that this wasn’t a small sample size either. He started 10 regular-season games and three more in the playoffs — guiding the Titans to a 9-4 record while throwing 27 touchdowns with only seven interceptions.

    As always, though, the question of price tag will arise. Will the 31-year-old Tannehill be asking for roughly $30 million annually, per his Spotrac.com market value, or will he look for even more than that — closer to $35 million? The more the Titans would have to pay Tannehill, obviously, the less they’d have available for his teammates.

    What would the Titans’ other options be? They could choose to put the franchise tag on Tannehill, which would likely pay him in the neighborhood of $27 million for the coming year, according to Joel Corry of CBSSports.com. They could also put the transition tag on Tannehill, which would mean a one-year salary around $25 million.

    Or perhaps the Titans might even be tempted by some of the tantalizing veterans who are pending free agents, such as Tom Brady, Drew Brees or Philip Rivers.

    (2) Running back Derrick Henry
    Surely the Titans have to find a way to re-sign Henry, after he won the NFL’s rushing title (1,540 yards) and tied for the league lead in rushing touchdowns (16), right? Can you imagine the reaction of the vast majority of this fan base if the Titans let Henry — who also happens to be a former SEC superstar and Heisman Trophy winner — walk after this incredible year?

    There are a few reasons, though, why I’d consider Henry the second priority on this list. First of all, it’s easier to find productive running backs than it is top-flight quarterbacks. Secondly, dumping big, long-term money into running backs isn’t always a great idea. Just look at the backs making the top four average salaries in the league — Ezekiel Elliott, Todd Gurley, Le’Veon Bell and David Johnson. None of them played up to their contracts last year, and wear-and-tear at the position is always a concern.

    Henry could be looking for a contract similar to the big four, one that might pay around $13 or $14 million per season. If the Titans don’t feel they can pay that kind of money long term, then there are always the tag options: Corry’s projected franchise tag for a running back is $10.4 million per year in 2020, and the projected transition tag is $8.6 million.

    In a perfect world, of course, the Titans manage to sign both Tannehill and Henry, the two cornerstones of an extremely productive offense in 2019.

    (3) Right tackle Jack Conklin
    Conklin’s future in Nashville didn’t necessarily look too bright last May, when the Titans declined to pick up the option year on his contract, which would have paid him about $12.9 million in 2020.

    But the good news for Conklin is that a strong 2019 has now likely improved his market value beyond that figure. In fact, Spotrac.com lists Conklin’s current market value at $15 million per year. That estimate comes after Conklin posted an overall Pro Football Focus grade of 80.6 this year, a big jump from last year’s 66.8.

    “I think I just got more comfortable as the year went on, getting used to the zone scheme,” Conklin said. “I got back to my old ways. It definitely felt good, like I got better. I became an even better player than I was in years past.”

    PFF attributed five sacks to Conklin, but just two after Week 3. Conklin had nine penalties, but only two in the last eight games of the season. It would be tough finding a plug-and-play starter at right tackle with the same résumé as Conklin.

    And it’s clear he would like to return.

    “I would love to be here with these boys,” said Conklin, the eighth overall pick in 2016. “In a perfect world, that would definitely be excellent.”

    (4) Cornerback Logan Ryan
    Ryan filled up the stat sheet like never before this season, posting career highs in tackles (120), sacks (4.5) and passes defensed (19). His four interceptions were the most he’d totaled since he was a rookie in 2013.

    The 28-year-old isn’t the speediest defensive back in the league, but there’s no doubt he could be a significant contributor after playing more than 1,300 snaps in 2019 — including 854 at slot corner. But what would be the price tag for Ryan, who averaged $10 million for the past three seasons? He might expect more than what the Titans are paying fellow corner Malcolm Butler, who’s in the midst of a five-year deal averaging over $12 million per year.

    “I gave (the Titans) three years, played in every game I possibly could,” Ryan said. “Played every snap with my heart and soul. Right now I’m looking for a job. So hopefully, if they can extend it and work something out, that would be great.”

    (5) Outside linebacker Kamalei Correa
    Correa’s numbers in Sunday’s loss at Kansas City— a team-high 10 tackles, one sack, one tackle for loss — provided a good illustration of how he’s improved through the course of the season. After registering just one sack in his first 11 games, Correa piled up six in the Titans’ final eight contests (including the postseason).

    Correa also started eight of the Titans’ last 11 games, giving the team a boost at a position that lacked depth — especially after the loss of Cameron Wake. The Titans will likely address this position via free agency or the draft. But Correa would still be a good player to have in the rotation if he continues to improve. One has to wonder, however, whether the sacks Correa racked up this year will lead to contract demands that might be a bit too steep for the Titans.

    (6) Tight end MyCole Pruitt
    Pruitt is never going to put up flashy numbers, but he improved as the season progressed, helping pave the way for Henry and chipping in with some receptions as well. The 6-2, 245-pound Pruitt averaged about 27 snaps per game and helped fill the blocking tight end role Craig Stevens had played for years in Tennessee before retiring in 2016. That will be an especially important job if the Titans stick with Henry and the ground-and-pound attack. Pruitt caught just two passes in the Titans’ first 14 games this year. But the 27-year-old showed some versatility in the final five games, hauling in eight receptions.

    (7) Tackle Dennis Kelly
    Kelly joked Monday he should also get some tight end money in the coming year after catching a couple of touchdown passes as a tackle eligible this season. That won’t happen, of course, but Kelly has been a valuable third tackle even when he hasn’t hit paydirt. The 30-year-old has played more than 400 snaps in each of the past two seasons, providing a solid replacement when Taylor Lewan and Conklin have been out of the lineup.

    If the Titans don’t re-sign Conklin, it would seem to increase the likelihood that Kelly returns. If they do re-sign Conklin, would the Titans consider grabbing a younger third tackle in the draft? Kelly averaged $1.5 million in salary the past two years.

    “It’s a really cool locker room,” Kelly said. “It’s a really cool chemistry we have in here. It would be hard to leave. But I guess that’s sometimes not up to me.”

    (8) Cornerbacks Tramaine Brock/LeShaun Sims
    I’m cheating here by naming two cornerbacks, but there’s logic involved: If the Titans don’t re-sign Ryan, perhaps they make a push for the veteran Brock, 31, who played over 400 snaps in just seven games with Tennessee. Brock struggled in the loss to Kansas City but overall played pretty well for the Titans. His 75.5 PFF grade for pass coverage was second on the team behind Adoree Jackson. If the Titans do re-sign Ryan, maybe the team is more comfortable just holding on to a depth player like Sims. This was not a good season overall for Sims, who didn’t play in the postseason. But he’s shown value in the past.

    (9) Wide receiver Tajae Sharpe
    Sharpe’s numbers over the past two seasons have been almost identical, as he caught 26 passes for 316 yards and two touchdowns in 2018, then posted 25 catches for 329 yards and four touchdowns in 2019. He might once again serve as a good fifth or sixth receiver for a few reasons: He knows the offense well, has a knack for getting open on third downs and is versatile enough to play all the wide receiver positions. It’s possible the Titans use a draft pick to add depth at wide receiver, but Sharpe isn’t a bad option as long as he remains inexpensive.

    (10) Linebacker Wesley Woodyard
    Woodyard dropped to fourth in the pecking order at inside linebacker — behind Rashaan Evans, Jayon Brown and rookie David Long — by the end of the regular season, as he played just seven defensive snaps over the last four games. But he showed his value in the playoffs — playing a total of 94 snaps — when injuries slowed Evans and Brown. Sure, age will be a factor (he will be 34 when next season kicks off), but he’s healthy, still plays plenty of special teams snaps and serves as an invaluable leader and mentor for the younger players. Woodyard would have to accept less money than his previous salary (three years, $10.5 million).

    The other pending UFAs
    Outside linebacker Daren Bates, fullback David Fluellen, wide receiver Darius Jennings, defensive tackle Austin Johnson, quarterback Marcus Mariota, cornerback Chris Milton, offensive lineman Kevin Pamphile
     
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    This is odd (linebackers coach who is going to the Lions)

     
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    Brady touring the MBA campus with his son today fwiw
     
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    You shouldn't make that deal if you're the Titans IMO

    What's his tag numbers look like?

     
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    It sucks so bad that both he and Tannehill are free agents. As much as it pains me, Tannehill should be the priority.
     
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    Yup. What's the last RB to play up to his contract after signing a massive one? Seems like it's been awhile.
     
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    I don't think there's a precedent for it
     
  24. UncleItchyBalls

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    Yeah you can't pay Henry that type of money but let me play devil's advocate. My concern is that if we lose him, how big of a step back does the team take the next couple of years? I don't know if I'm confident enough to say that we are in a window where we could possibly win a super bowl but we did just go to the AFC championship game... This team has a ton of young talent and Tannehill is going to be 32 next season. Maybe it's worth it to go all in on the next couple of years.
     
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    I think they have to at least tag him for a year if they can't work out something less than Zeke's deal. He's so much of our offense right now and Lewis can in no way replace him. Hopefully they can work something out. He seems to really want to stay here but I can't fault him getting his while he can. Especially as a RB that needs lots of carries.
     
  26. mustang66

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    I want us to sign Henry more than anyone but if he is asking for that type of $$ it doesn’t make sense. Honestly I think he will be more reasonable and we will get a deal done. The fanbase will revolt if we don’t do all we can to sign him
     
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    I'd really really like to have Slay on our roster

     
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    Barnwell's recommended moves. He notes that Conlkin is the best tackle on the market

    Projected 2020 cap space: $47.9 million

    1. Create more cap room. The Titans can free up an additional $16 million or so by releasing Dion Lewis, Delanie Walker and Cameron Wake. Wake, who just turned 38, impressed early in the season before struggling with a hamstring injury and going on injured reserve. He can still help a team as an occasional pass-rusher, but his $8.3 million cap hold is untenable.

    2. Sign Ryan Tannehill to an extension. The Titans should lock up their quarterback with a multiyear deal to save their two other tags. Tannehill revitalized his career and played at a Pro Bowl level for most of the season, and he shredded teams on play-action and formed a strong bond with stud rookie receiver A.J. Brown. The Titans will surely bring back Tannehill one way or another, but he has earned a multiyear deal.

    Pricing out that contract is difficult. A franchise tag for him would come in at around $26.9 million. The circumstances aren't the same, but given that he signed his deal after excelling in a small sample, Tannehill's representation might look toward the five-year, $137.5 million contract Jimmy Garoppolo signed with the 49ers in 2018 as the basis for a deal. Update that contract for the 2020 cap and he would be looking at close to $31 million per year. I could see the two sides compromising and Tannehill ending up on a four-year, $120 million deal with $55 million guaranteed. The best thing for both sides is for him to stick around in Tennessee.

    3. Franchise tag Derrick Henry. With Tannehill signed, the next step is to temporarily lock up Henry. When I wrote about running back contracts back in November, I noted that Henry had become an integral part of Tennessee's identity, which would make it difficult for Tennessee to move on from the former Alabama star. What happened in the playoffs only makes that even more difficult, given that he racked up 377 yards on 64 carries in victories over the Patriots and Ravens.

    Every back is different, but the question a team has to ask itself remains the same: When the vast majority of expensive second contracts for running backs turn out poorly, why is your guy going to be different? The top of the running back market includes the deals signed by Todd Gurley, Le'Veon Bell, Ezekiel Elliott, David Johnson and Devonta Freeman. The Elliott deal is the only one that those organizations would do again.

    The Titans can't realistically let Henry go after what he did during the postseason, but they have to hold off on making that decision on a long-term deal for as long as possible. Franchising Henry would cost somewhere around $12.7 million. I would even consider franchising him twice, given that he has brought up Elliott's contract as the floor for his new deal. Elliott's contract paid him $28.1 million over the first two years. Franchising Henry twice would allow the Titans to go year to year and cost roughly the same amount.

    For what it's worth, there's a much better chance Tennessee re-signs Henry and franchises Tannehill. Ideally, it would go about things this way instead.

    4. Transition tag Jack Conklin. It was a bit of a surprise when the Titans declined Conklin's fifth-year option last offseason, a move that seemed to derive out of concerns surrounding the right tackle's surgically repaired knee. General manager Jon Robinson likely regrets that decision now. Conklin responded with his best season since 2016, as the 2016 eighth overall pick played 94% of the offensive snaps and allowed just three sacks.

    While we don't know the specific state of Conklin's knee, his combination of talent and age (25) make him the most appealing tackle on the market. The team probably won't be able to use the franchise tag on Conklin, but because the NFL is operating under the final year of the current CBA, teams can use both the franchise and transition tags in the same offseason. If it re-signs either Tannehill or Henry to an extension, it would still have the transition tag free for Conklin.

    The transition tag would hand Conklin a one-year, $14.7 million deal and the ability to negotiate with the other 31 teams. If (and most likely when) Conklin signs an offer sheet with an opposing team, the Titans would have the ability to match the deal. They wouldn't get any compensation if they declined the offer, but this gives them a chance to keep Conklin if the market bears a contract they're willing to match.

    5. Bring back Logan Ryan. For all the work the Titans have to do re-signing offensive pieces, it's worth remembering that one of their key defenders is also hitting free agency. Ryan had his best season with the team in 2019, and while they could try to install fourth-round pick Amani Hooker as their slot cornerback if Ryan leaves, letting Ryan get away would be a big step backward. With defensive coordinator Dean Pees retiring, keeping the secondary stable would be a huge plus for Robinson. After signing a three-year, $30 million deal in 2017, the 29-year-old Ryan should be able to push closer to $13 million per season this time around.
     
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    I hope he loads up on Titans 12-1
     
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    No.
     
  33. Jax Teller

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    Not sure how to feel about not having a DC.
     
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    Almost anyone who signs him is downgrading. He wont make the mistakes of a Jameis, but he cant make Jameis throws either.
     
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    I know a lot of it depends on how the pending FA signings work out but what do y'all see as the biggest needs going into the draft? Who would y'all want to see them pick at 29?
     
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    He's grown on me a lot over the last year. I think he'll have moments of idiocy but all in all I think we might have found a Mike Tomlin like coach for a franchise
     
  38. Cornelius Suttree

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    so yesterday we released Dion Lewis and Wake. Per Turron Davenport we save $4 million by letting Lewis go and $5.6 million with the release of Wake

    then today we released Succop and Delanie. Releasing Succop frees up $2 million in salary-cap space but costs the team $2.1 million in dead money. The Walker move saves the team $6.4 million in cap space. Walker was set to earn $8 million but only $1.6 million in dead money will count against the salary cap
     
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    Sucks to see Succop and Walker go but it was time
     
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    Hope we don't overpay for Tannehill.
     
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    Lowball him. Use the tag when he refuses. Give him another year. Overpay next year if needed.
     
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    Probably unpopular opinion, but I'm not sold on him yet.
     
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    Welp. Need to see the terms
     
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    ... tag Henry?

    edit: tag Henry.

     
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    I am so nervous about this.
     
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