CoronaVirus Disease (COVID-19) Thread : Fuck em, should’ve gotten vaccinated

Beeds07 · Apr 4, 2020

BudKilmer said: ↑

Trump lap dogs: “how could Donald pay attention to 2 things at once? How could he pay attention to a virus during impeachment?”
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Yet he could still golf, hold rallies, and travel to India.

Fran Tarkenton · Apr 4, 2020

Redav · Apr 4, 2020

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Might need to hold off on saying he's better than DeSantis

Lyrtch · Apr 4, 2020

Henry Blake · Apr 4, 2020

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...equipment-supply-chain-management-81473093764
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Pile Driving Miss Daisy · Apr 4, 2020

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This is an insane secret of events. Kemp finally issues a stay-at-home order and somehow it is more relaxed than some of the cities in Georgia so it's supersedes it which means we're actually going to expose more people. He was very reluctant because he didn't want to "overstep" with his power and now the party of small government is overruling small government.

Drown ‘Em · Apr 4, 2020

two · Apr 4, 2020

Pile Driving Miss Daisy said: ↑

This is an insane secret of events. Kemp finally issues a stay-at-home order and somehow it is more relaxed than some of the cities in Georgia so it's supersedes it which means we're actually going to expose more people. He was very reluctant because he didn't want to "overstep" with his power and now the party of small government is overruling small government.
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DeSantis did the same thing then the next day said counties/cities could impose stricter rules if they want

Clemson327 · Apr 4, 2020

Bruce Bowen said: ↑

My Mom has one that says among other things "laugh as much as you breathe"

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ABC

Always Be Cackling

DeToxRox · Apr 4, 2020

Oh good

devine · Apr 4, 2020

dblplay1212 · Apr 4, 2020

JonathanCoachman · Apr 4, 2020

I’m interested but not sure if Theranos....

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...elp-detect-your-exposure-coronavirus-n1176086

JonathanCoachman · Apr 4, 2020

I knew Dabo would make that his public message even before Dabo did. He’s just another fake evangelical Christian that exploits the naïveté of the idiots who listen to him for profit.

Henry Blake · Apr 4, 2020

The Trump administration received its first formal notification of the outbreak of the coronavirus in China on Jan. 3. Within days, U.S. spy agencies were signaling the seriousness of the threat to Trump by including a warning about the coronavirus — the first of many — in the President’s Daily Brief.

And yet, it took 70 days from that initial notification for Trump to treat the coronavirus not as a distant threat or harmless flu strain well under control, but as a lethal force that had outflanked America’s defenses and was poised to kill tens of thousands of citizens. That more-than-two-month stretch now stands as critical time that was squandered.
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Yet some were concerned that the CDC test would not be enough. Stephen Hahn, the FDA commissioner, sought authority in early February to begin calling private diagnostic and pharmaceutical companies to enlist their help.

But when senior FDA officials consulted leaders at HHS, Hahn, who had led the agency for about two months, was told to stand down. There were concerns about him personally contacting companies regulated by his agency.

At that point, Azar, the HHS secretary, seemed committed to a plan he was pursuing that would keep his agency at the center of the response effort: securing a test from the CDC and then building a national coronavirus surveillance system by relying on an existing network of labs used to track the ordinary flu.
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The U.S. was beset by denial and dysfunction as the coronavirus raged
From the Oval Office to the CDC, political and institutional failures cascaded through the system and opportunities to mitigate the pandemic were lost.

President Trump, reflected in a television camera, speaks with his coronavirus task force at a White House briefing on March 18. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)

By Yasmeen Abutaleb, Josh Dawsey, Ellen Nakashima and Greg Miller
APRIL 4, 2020

By the time Donald Trump proclaimed himself a wartime president — and the coronavirus the enemy — the United States was already on course to see more of its people die than in the wars of Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq combined.

The country has adopted an array of wartime measures never employed collectively in U.S. history — banning incoming travelers from two continents, bringing commerce to a near-halt, enlisting industry to make emergency medical gear, and confining 230 million Americans to their homes in a desperate bid to survive an attack by an unseen adversary.

Despite these and other extreme steps, the United States will likely go down as the country that was supposedly best prepared to fight a pandemic but ended up catastrophically overmatched by the novel coronavirus, sustaining heavier casualties than any other nation.

It did not have to happen this way. Though not perfectly prepared, the United States had more expertise, resources, plans and epidemiological experience than dozens of countries that ultimately fared far better in fending off the virus.

The failure has echoes of the period leading up to 9/11: Warnings were sounded, including at the highest levels of government, but the president was deaf to them until the enemy had already struck.

The Trump administration received its first formal notification of the outbreak of the coronavirus in China on Jan. 3. Within days, U.S. spy agencies were signaling the seriousness of the threat to Trump by including a warning about the coronavirus — the first of many — in the President’s Daily Brief.

[Sign up for our Coronavirus Updates newsletter to track the outbreak. All stories linked in the newsletter are free to access.]

And yet, it took 70 days from that initial notification for Trump to treat the coronavirus not as a distant threat or harmless flu strain well under control, but as a lethal force that had outflanked America’s defenses and was poised to kill tens of thousands of citizens. That more-than-two-month stretch now stands as critical time that was squandered.

Trump’s baseless assertions in those weeks, including his claim that it would all just “miraculously” go away, sowed significant public confusion and contradicted the urgent messages of public health experts.

“While the media would rather speculate about outrageous claims of palace intrigue, President Trump and this Administration remain completely focused on the health and safety of the American people with around the clock work to slow the spread of the virus, expand testing, and expedite vaccine development," said Judd Deere, a spokesman for the president. "Because of the President’s leadership we will emerge from this challenge healthy, stronger, and with a prosperous and growing economy.”

But the president’s behavior and combative statements were merely a visible layer on top of deeper levels of dysfunction.

The most consequential failure involved a breakdown in efforts to develop a diagnostic test that could be mass produced and distributed across the United States, enabling agencies to map early outbreaks of the disease, and impose quarantine measure to contain them. At one point, a Food and Drug Administration official tore into lab officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, telling them their lapses in protocol, including concerns that the lab did not meet the criteria for sterile conditions, were so serious that the FDA would “shut you down” if the CDC were a commercial, rather than government, entity.

Other failures cascaded through the system. The administration often seemed weeks behind the curve in reacting to the viral spread, closing doors that were already contaminated. Protracted arguments between the White House and public health agencies over funding, combined with a meager existing stockpile of emergency supplies, left vast stretches of the country’s health-care system without protective gear until the outbreak had become a pandemic. Infighting, turf wars and abrupt leadership changes hobbled the work of the coronavirus task force.

[Inside America’s mask crunch: A slow government reaction and an industry wary of liability]

It may never be known how many thousands of deaths, or millions of infections, might have been prevented with a response that was more coherent, urgent and effective. But even now, there are many indications that the administration’s handling of the crisis had potentially devastating consequences.

Trump was rebranding himself a wartime president, and belatedly urging the public to help slow the spread of the virus, Republican leaders were poring over grim polling data that suggested Trump was lulling his followers into a false sense of security in the face of a lethal threat.

The poll showed that far more Republicans than Democrats were being influenced by Trump’s dismissive depictions of the virus and the comparably scornful coverage on Fox News and other conservative networks. As a result, Republicans were in distressingly large numbers refusing to change travel plans, follow “social distancing” guidelines, stock up on supplies or otherwise take the coronavirus threat seriously.

“Denial is not likely to be a successful strategy for survival,” GOP pollster Neil Newhouse concluded in a document that was shared with GOP leaders on Capitol Hill and discussed widely at the White House. Trump’s most ardent supporters, it said, were “putting themselves and their loved ones in danger.”

Trump’s message was changing as the report swept through the GOP’s senior ranks. In recent days, Trump has bristled at reminders that he had once claimed the caseload would soon be “down to zero.”

More than 7,000 people have died of the coronavirus in the United States so far, with about 240,000 cases reported. But Trump has acknowledged that new models suggest that the eventual national death toll could be between 100,000 and 240,000.

Beyond the suffering in store for thousands of victims and their families, the outcome has altered the international standing of the United States, damaging and diminishing its reputation as a global leader in times of extraordinary adversity.

“This has been a real blow to the sense that America was competent,” said Gregory F. Treverton, a former chairman of the National Intelligence Council, the government’s senior-most provider of intelligence analysis. He stepped down from the NIC in January 2017 and now teaches at the University of Southern California. “That was part of our global role. Traditional friends and allies looked to us because they thought we could be competently called upon to work with them in a crisis. This has been the opposite of that.”

This article, which retraces the failures over the first 70 days of the coronavirus crisis, is based on 47 interviews with administration officials, public health experts, intelligence officers and others involved in fighting the pandemic. Many spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive information and decisions.

In D.C. — a city defined by power — coronavirus has seized control]

The initial response was promising, but officials also immediately encountered obstacles.

On Jan. 6, Redfield sent a letter to the Chinese offering to send help, including a team of CDC scientists. China rebuffed the offer for weeks, turning away assistance and depriving U.S. authorities of an early chance to get a sample of the virus, critical for developing diagnostic tests and any potential vaccine.

China impeded the U.S. response in other ways, including by withholding accurate information about the outbreak. Beijing had a long track record of downplaying illnesses that emerged within its borders, an impulse that U.S. officials attribute to a desire by the country’s leaders to avoid embarrassment and accountability with China’s 1.3 billion people and other countries that find themselves in the pathogen’s path.

China stuck to this costly script in the case of the coronavirus, reporting Jan. 14 that it had seen “no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission.” U.S. officials treated the claim with skepticism that intensified when the first case surfaced outside China with a reported infection in Thailand.

aborted federal ban on vaping products, a matter that vexed the president.

At the time, Trump was in the throes of an impeachment battle over his alleged attempt to coerce political favors from the leader of Ukraine. Acquittal seemed certain by the GOP-controlled Senate, but Trump was preoccupied with the trial, calling lawmakers late at night to rant, and making lists of perceived enemies he would seek to punish when the case against him concluded.

In hindsight, officials said, Azar could have been more forceful in urging Trump to turn at least some of his attention to a threat that would soon pose an even graver test to his presidency, a crisis that would cost American lives and consume the final year of Trump’s first term.

But the secretary, who had a strained relationship with Trump and many others in the administration, assured the president that those responsible were working on and monitoring the issue. Azar told several associates that the president believed he was “alarmist” and Azar struggled to get Trump’s attention to focus on the issue, even asking one confidant for advice.

Within days, there were new causes for alarm.

drastic step of shutting down Wuhan, turning the teeming metropolis into a ghost city of empty highways and shuttered skyscrapers, with millions of people marooned in their homes.

“That was like, whoa!,” said a senior U.S. official involved in White House meetings on the crisis. “That was when the Richter scale hit 8.”

It was also when U.S. officials began to confront the failings of their own efforts to respond.

Azar, who had served in senior positions at HHS through crises including the 9/11 terrorist attacks and the outbreak of Bird Flu in 2005, was intimately familiar with the playbook for crisis management.

He instructed subordinates to move rapidly to establish a nationwide surveillance system to track the spread of the coronavirus — a stepped-up version of what the CDC does every year to monitor new strains of the ordinary flu.

But doing so would require assets that would elude U.S. officials for months — a diagnostic test that could accurately identify those infected with the new virus and be produced on a mass scale for rapid deployment across the United States, and money to implement the system.

Azar’s team also hit another obstacle. The Chinese were still refusing to share the viral samples they had collected and were using to develop their own tests. In frustration, U.S. officials looked for other possible routes.

A biocontainment lab at the University of Texas medical branch in Galveston had a research partnership with the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

Kadlec, who knew the Galveston lab director, hoped scientists could arrange a transaction on their own without government interference. At first, the lab in Wuhan agreed, but officials in Beijing intervened Jan. 24 and blocked any lab-to-lab transfer.

Even as Wuhan reopens, China struggles to get out second gear]

Protective gear in national stockpile is nearly depleted]

Much of the manufacturing of such equipment had long since migrated to China, where factories were now shuttered because workers were on order to stay in their households. At the same time, China was buying up masks and other gear to gird for its own coronavirus outbreak, driving up costs and monopolizing supplies.

In late January and early February, leaders at HHS sent two letters to the White House Office of Management and Budget asking to use its transfer authority to shift $136 million of department funds into pools that could be tapped for combating the coronavirus. Azar and his aides also began raising the need for a multibillion-dollar supplemental budget request to send to Congress.

Yet White House budget hawks argued that appropriating too much money at once when there were only a few U.S. cases would be viewed as alarmist.

Joe Grogan, head of the Domestic Policy Council, clashed with health officials over preparedness. He mistrusted how the money would be used and questioned how health officials had used previous preparedness funds.

Azar then spoke to Russell Vought, the acting director of the White House Office of Management and Budget, during Trump’s State of the Union speech on Feb. 4. Vought seemed amenable, and told Azar to submit a proposal.

Azar did so the next day, drafting a supplemental request for more than $4 billion, a sum that OMB officials and others at the White House greeted as an outrage. Azar arrived at the White House that day for a tense meeting in the Situation Room that erupted in a shouting match, according to three people familiar with the incident.

A deputy in the budget office accused Azar of preemptively lobbying Congress for a gigantic sum that White House officials had no interest in granting. Azar bristled at the criticism and defended the need for an emergency infusion. But his standing with White House officials, already shaky before the coronavirus crisis began, was damaged further.

White House officials relented to a degree weeks later as the feared coronavirus surge in the United States began to materialize. The OMB team whittled Azar’s demands down to $2.5 billion, money that would be available only in the current fiscal year. Congress ignored that figure, approving an $8 billion supplemental bill that Trump signed into law March 7.

But again, delays proved costly. The disputes meant that the United States missed a narrow window to stockpile ventilators, masks and other protective gear before the administration was bidding against many other desperate nations, and state officials fed up with federal failures began scouring for supplies themselves.

In late March, the administration ordered 10,000 ventilators — far short of what public health officials and governors said was needed. And many will not arrive until the summer or fall, when models expect the pandemic to be receding.

“It’s actually kind of a joke,” said one administration official involved in deliberations about the belated purchase.

LEFT: Clinicians place a nasal swab into a container after testing a patient at a drive-through covid-19 testing station on Kaiser Permanente's French Campus in San Francisco on March 12. (Michael Short for The Washington Post) RIGHT: The CDC's laboratory test kit for the new coronavirus. (CDC/AP)
Inconclusive tests
Although viruses travel unseen, public health officials have developed elaborate ways of mapping and tracking their movements. Stemming an outbreak or slowing a pandemic in many ways comes down to the ability to quickly divide the population into those who are infected and those who are not.

Doing so, however, hinges on having an accurate test to diagnose patients and deploy it rapidly to labs across the country. The time it took to accomplish that in the United States may have been more costly to American efforts than any other failing.

“If you had the testing, you could say, ‘Oh my god, there’s circulating virus in Seattle, let’s jump on it. There’s circulating virus in Chicago, let’s jump on it,’ ” said a senior administration official involved in battling the outbreak. “We didn’t have that visibility.”

The first setback came when China refused to share samples of the virus, depriving U.S. researchers of supplies to bombard with drugs and therapies in a search for ways to defeat it. But even when samples had been procured, the U.S. effort was hampered by systemic problems and institutional hubris.

Among the costliest errors was a misplaced assessment by top health officials that the outbreak would probably be limited in scale inside the United States — as had been the case with every other infection for decades — and that the CDC could be trusted on its own to develop a coronavirus diagnostic test.

[CDC is sidelined by White House during coronavirus pandemic]

The CDC, launched in the 1940s to contain an outbreak of malaria in the southern United States, had taken the lead on the development of diagnostic tests in major outbreaks including Ebola, Zika and H1N1. But the CDC was not built to mass-produce tests.

The CDC’s success had fostered an institutional arrogance, a sense that even in the face of a potential crisis there was no pressing need to involve private labs, academic institutions, hospitals and global health organizations also capable of developing tests.

Yet some were concerned that the CDC test would not be enough. Stephen Hahn, the FDA commissioner, sought authority in early February to begin calling private diagnostic and pharmaceutical companies to enlist their help.

But when senior FDA officials consulted leaders at HHS, Hahn, who had led the agency for about two months, was told to stand down. There were concerns about him personally contacting companies regulated by his agency.

At that point, Azar, the HHS secretary, seemed committed to a plan he was pursuing that would keep his agency at the center of the response effort: securing a test from the CDC and then building a national coronavirus surveillance system by relying on an existing network of labs used to track the ordinary flu.

In task force meetings, Azar and Redfield pushed for $100 million to fund the plan, but were shot down because of the cost, according to a document outlining the testing strategy obtained by The Washington Post.

Relying so heavily on the CDC would have been problematic even if it had succeeded in quickly developing an effective test that could be distributed across the country. The scale of the epidemic, and the need for mass testing far beyond the capabilities of the flu network, would have overwhelmed Azar’s plan, which didn’t envision engaging commercial lab companies for up to six months.

LEFT: Officials prepare for a news conference in Seattle on Feb. 29. A Washington state man in his 50s with underlying health conditions became the first coronavirus death on U.S. soil. (Elaine Thompson/AP) RIGHT: Artificial flowers are seen tied to trees with ribbons on March 13 outside Life Care Center, a long-term-care facility in Kirkland, Wash., that was linked to several confirmed coronavirus cases. (Lindsey Wasson/Reuters)
The effort collapsed when the CDC failed its basic assignment to create a working test and the task force rejected Azar’s plan.

On Feb. 6, when the World Health Organization reported that it was shipping 250,000 test kits to labs around the world, the CDC began distributing 90 kits to a smattering of state-run health labs.

Almost immediately, the state facilities encountered problems. The results were inconclusive in trial runs at more than half the labs, meaning they couldn’t be relied upon to diagnose actual patients. The CDC issued a stopgap measure, instructing labs to send tests to its headquarters in Atlanta, a practice that would delay results for days.

The scarcity of effective tests led officials to impose constraints on when and how to use them, and delayed surveillance testing. Initial guidelines were so restrictive that states were discouraged from testing patients exhibiting symptoms unless they had traveled to China and come into contact with a confirmed case, when the pathogen had by that point almost certainly spread more broadly into the general population.

The limits left top officials largely blind to the true dimensions of the outbreak.

In a meeting in the Situation Room in mid-February, Fauci and Redfield told White House officials that there was no evidence yet of worrisome person-to-person transmission in the United States. In hindsight, it appears almost certain that the virus was taking hold in communities at that point. But even the country’s top experts had little meaningful data about the domestic dimensions of the threat. Fauci later conceded that as they learned more their views changed.

At the same time the president’s subordinates were growing increasingly alarmed, Trump continued to exhibit little concern. On Feb. 10, he held a political rally in New Hampshire attended by thousands where he declared that “by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.”

The New Hampshire rally was one of eight that Trump held after he had been told by Azar about the coronavirus, a period when he also went to his golf courses six times.

A day earlier, on Feb. 9, a group of governors in town for a black-tie gala at the White House secured a private meeting with Fauci and Redfield. The briefing rattled many of the governors, bearing little resemblance to the words of the president. “The doctors and the scientists, they were telling us then exactly what they are saying now,” Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan (R) said.

That month, federal medical and public health officials were emailing increasingly dire forecasts amongst themselves, with one Veterans Affairs medical adviser warning, ‘We are flying blind,’” according to emails obtained by the watchdog group American Oversight.

Later in February, U.S. officials discovered indications that the CDC laboratory was failing to meet basic quality-control standards. On a Feb. 27 conference call with a range of health officials, a senior FDA official lashed out at the CDC for its repeated lapses.

Jeffrey Shuren, the FDA’s director for devices and radiological health, told the CDC that if it were subjected to the same scrutiny as a privately run lab, “I would shut you down.”

On Feb. 29, a Washington state man became the first American to die of a coronavirus infection. That same day, the FDA released guidance, signaling that private labs were free to proceed in developing their own diagnostics.

Another four-week stretch had been squandered.

He also professed to have a keen medical mind. “I like this stuff. I really get it,” he said. “People here are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ ”

In reality, many of the failures to stem the coronavirus outbreak in the United States were either a result of, or exacerbated by, his leadership.

For weeks, he had barely uttered a word about the crisis that didn’t downplay its severity or propagate demonstrably false information. He dismissed the warnings of intelligence officials and top public health officials in his administration.

At times, he voiced far more authentic concern about the trajectory of the stock market than the spread of the virus in the United States, railing at the chairman of the Federal Reserve and others with an intensity that he never seemed to exhibit about the possible human toll of the outbreak.

In March, as state after state imposed sweeping new restrictions on their citizens’ daily lives to protect them — triggering severe shudders in the economy — Trump second-guessed the lockdowns.

LEFT: Jackie Copeland wipes down her cart in an effort to protect against the coronavirus before shopping at a Walmart in Fairfield, Calif., on Feb. 29. (Nick Otto for the Washington Post) RIGHT: People wear masks in Times Square in Manhattan on March 4 as the number of coronavirus cases started climbing. (Sharon Pulwer for The Washington Post)
The common flu kills tens of thousands each year and “nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on,” he tweeted March 9. A day later, he pledged that the virus would “go away. Just stay calm.”

Two days later, Trump finally ordered the halt to incoming travel from Europe that his deputy national security adviser had been advocating for weeks. But Trump botched the Oval Office announcement so badly that White House officials spent days trying to correct erroneous statements that triggered a stampede by U.S. citizens overseas to get home.

“There was some coming to grips with the problem and the true nature of it — the 13th of March is when I saw him really turn the corner. It took a while to realize you’re at war,” Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said. “That’s when he took decisive action that set in motion some real payoffs.”

Trump spent many weeks shuffling responsibility for leading his administration’s response to the crisis, putting Azar in charge of the task force at first, relying on Pottinger, the deputy national security adviser, for brief periods, before finally putting Vice President Pence in the role toward the end of February.

Other officials have emerged during the crisis to help right the United States’ course, and at times the statements of the president. But even as Fauci, Azar and others sought to assert themselves, Trump was behind the scenes turning to others with no credentials, experience or discernible insight in navigating a pandemic.

Foremost among them was his adviser and son-in-law, Jared Kushner. A team reporting to Kushner commandeered space on the seventh floor of the HHS building to pursue a series of inchoate initiatives.

One plan involved having Google create a website to direct those with symptoms to testing facilities that were supposed to spring up in Walmart parking lots across the country, but which never materialized. Another centered an idea advanced by Oracle Chairman Larry Ellison to use software to monitor the unproven use of anti-malaria drugs against the coronavirus pathogen.

So far, the plans have failed to come close to delivering on the promises made when they were touted in White House news conferences. The Kushner initiatives have, however, often interrupted the work of those under immense pressure to manage the U.S. response.

Anthony S. Fauci, left, director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, attends a White House briefing with President Trump on April 1. He is one of the core members of the administration’s coronavirus task force. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
Current and former officials said that Kadlec, Fauci, Redfield and others have repeatedly had to divert their attentions from core operations to contend with ill-conceived requests from the White House they don’t believe they can ignore. And Azar, who once ran the response, has since been sidelined, with his agency disempowered in decision-making and his performance pilloried by a range of White House officials, including Kushner.

“Right now Fauci is trying to roll out the most ambitious clinical trial ever implemented” to hasten the development of a vaccine, said a former senior administration official in frequent touch with former colleagues. And yet, the nation’s top health officials “are getting calls from the White House or Jared’s team asking, ‘Wouldn’t it be nice to do this with Oracle?’ ”

If the coronavirus has exposed the country’s misplaced confidence in its ability to handle a crisis, it also has cast harsh light on the limits of Trump’s approach to the presidency — his disdain for facts, science and experience.

He has survived other challenges to his presidency — including the Russia investigation and impeachment — by fiercely contesting the facts arrayed against him and trying to control the public’s understanding of events with streams of falsehoods.

The coronavirus may be the first crisis Trump has faced in office where the facts — the thousands of mounting deaths and infections — are so devastatingly evident that they defy these tactics.

After months of dismissing the severity of the coronavirus, resisting calls for austere measures to contain it, and recasting himself as a wartime president, Trump seemed finally to succumb to the coronavirus reality. In a meeting with a Republican ally in the Oval Office last month, the president said his campaign no longer mattered because his reelection would hinge on his coronavirus response.

“It’s absolutely critical for the American people to follow the guidelines for the next 30 days,” he said at his March 31 news conference. “It’s a matter of life and death.”
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smeegsgreen · Apr 4, 2020

SIAP but just saw this fucked up video

DeToxRox · Apr 4, 2020

God I want audio of this clusterfuck

MtOread · Apr 4, 2020

DeToxRox said: ↑

God I want audio of this clusterfuck

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I wish that was an open conference call anybody could listen to.

RavenNole · Apr 4, 2020

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so tucker wants us to believe that when they discuss economic pain they mean the working class? The people who the republicans work day and night to make sure they remain in poverty?

$P1 · Apr 4, 2020

DeToxRox said: ↑

God I want audio of this clusterfuck

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One of these is not like the others

kennypowers · Apr 4, 2020

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I knew Dabo would make that his public message even before Dabo did. He’s just another fake evangelical Christian that exploits the naïveté of the idiots who listen to him for profit.
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I’m not sure I would call him a fake, that’s just kind of the MO of southern evangelicals. They don’t like when things don’t go their way (like having to isolate or missing a football season) so they have to mentally cope with the reality OR come up with a super hero that is going to save the day and blow the virus into space tomorrow (this usually comes in the form of God, but in Dabo’s case he oddly chose American grit).

Shunface · Apr 4, 2020

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This is a bunch of horseshit.

only thing that isn’t getting through are counterfeit goods and delays are based on either non fda approval or not providing appropriate paperwork.

JonathanCoachman · Apr 4, 2020

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I’m not sure I would call him a fake, that’s just kind of the MO of southern evangelicals. They don’t like when things don’t go their way (like having to isolate or missing a football season) so they have to mentally cope with the reality OR come up with a super hero that is going to save the day and blow the virus into space tomorrow (this usually comes in the form of God, but in Dabo’s case he oddly chose American grit).
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He used to be an Insurance Salesman and the best sales tactic a coach in the southeast can use in recruiting is to play the Jesus card. I’ve always felt that it was an act, even back when Clemson sucked.

I actually met Dabo’s wife a couple of months ago. She liked (or feigned to) my joke that she could divorce Dabo and they’d both still be joint top highest paid government employees in South Carolina because Muschamp doesn’t make half of what Dabo brings in.

DeToxRox · Apr 4, 2020

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Can’t believe you would shit on the WNBA like that

duc15 · Apr 4, 2020

Dabo sucks

BudKilmer · Apr 4, 2020

WTF

BrentTray · Apr 4, 2020

Cool!

devine · Apr 4, 2020

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I wish that was an open conference call anybody could listen to.
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I would pay my entire stimulus check that I’ll probably never get to listen to that

theregionsitter · Apr 4, 2020

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Don Garber is a piece of shit

Redav · Apr 4, 2020

It doesn't take long as you mentally walk through what restarting sports would look like to realize it's nearly impossible to do anytime soon. There's just no way

RavenNole · Apr 4, 2020

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Cool!

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I hate this article. It’s misleading and attacks trump on the one good thing he did. If you want to attack the policy, attack the lack of screening at the airport which is mentioned in the article as a mere afterthought. That’s the major issue with his China ban. Did he do it for the right reasons? Likely not but it still helped.

trump has fucked up so much during this crisis. When you attack the one right decision he made (which was criticized at the time by most) it comes off that you are going to disingenuously attack him no matter what.

a valid way to write an article like this IMO would be to highlight how absolutely useless a China travel ban is if you aren’t going to screen the people that you are still allowing to fly in from China. You could also highlight that he was early to ban travel to China but late banning from Europe (especially the idiotic exception for the UK for like a week) and use that to emphasize a racism component. This article is what I’d expect Fox News to write about Obama.

devine · Apr 4, 2020

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It doesn't take long as you mentally walk through what restarting sports would look like to realize it's nearly impossible to do anytime soon. There's just no way
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I don’t see how it happens before a vaccine

RavenNole · Apr 4, 2020

Redav said: ↑

It doesn't take long as you mentally walk through what restarting sports would look like to realize it's nearly impossible to do anytime soon. There's just no way
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the nfl medical person who commented yesterday made a good point. If one person getting sick would cause a mass quarantine, we aren’t at a point where we can return to sports.

I still think we fast track a vaccine that we aren’t fully sure works and the government prays it does so things start up again sometime in the fall.

Redav · Apr 4, 2020

devine said: ↑

I don’t see how it happens before a vaccine
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Me either

Redav · Apr 4, 2020

RavenNole said: ↑

the nfl medical person who commented yesterday made a good point. If one person getting sick would cause a mass quarantine, we aren’t at a point where we can return to sports.

I still think we fast track a vaccine that we aren’t fully sure works and the government prays it does so things start up again sometime in the fall.
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I mean you'd have to quarantine teams, referees, tv crews, etc and that's even without fans. Then one guy tests positive and oops an entire team can't play games for 2 weeks. I just don't see it at all

941Gator · Apr 4, 2020

devine said: ↑

I don’t see how it happens before a vaccine
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But what if we get a vaccine in July?

devine · Apr 4, 2020

RavenNole said: ↑

the nfl medical person who commented yesterday made a good point. If one person getting sick would cause a mass quarantine, we aren’t at a point where we can return to sports.

I still think we fast track a vaccine that we aren’t fully sure works and the government prays it does so things start up again sometime in the fall.
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I don’t know, rushing a vaccine is a huge risk and could be detrimental if it doesn’t work

devine · Apr 4, 2020

941Gator said: ↑

But what if we get a vaccine in July?
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A vaccine takes a year at the fastest to roll out

NST · Apr 4, 2020

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He used to be an Insurance Salesman and the best sales tactic a coach in the southeast can use in recruiting is to play the Jesus card. I’ve always felt that it was an act, even back when Clemson sucked.

I actually met Dabo’s wife a couple of months ago. She liked (or feigned to) my joke that she could divorce Dabo and they’d both still be joint top highest paid government employees in South Carolina because Muschamp doesn’t make half of what Dabo brings in.
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that’s a really weird joke to make to someone you don’t know

DeToxRox · Apr 4, 2020

devine said: ↑

A vaccine takes a year at the fastest to roll out
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Yeah let’s maybe do this right.

JonathanCoachman · Apr 4, 2020

Redav said: ↑

It doesn't take long as you mentally walk through what restarting sports would look like to realize it's nearly impossible to do anytime soon. There's just no way
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Thank goodness that all my teams are dogshit because I'm not missing sports all that much. You people that support teams that actually win things are looking pretty fucking stupid IMO.

Illinihockey · Apr 4, 2020

Italy has had under 5,000 new cases for 5 days in a row now. Either they are on the back end of the curve or they are testing less.

duc15 · Apr 4, 2020

Redav said: ↑

I mean you'd have to quarantine teams, referees, tv crews, etc and that's even without fans. Then one guy tests positive and oops an entire team can't play games for 2 weeks. I just don't see it at all
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Add the fact that using our limited testing supply on that instead of helping you know actual people shows how out of touch peoples priorities are.

JonathanCoachman · Apr 4, 2020

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that’s a really weird joke to make to someone you don’t know
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Yeah. I had already mentioned I was a South Carolina fan and not a Muschamp fan. She made a remark about being fed up with Dabo so thats where the fake divorce talk comes in.

RavenNole · Apr 4, 2020

devine said: ↑

I don’t know, rushing a vaccine is a huge risk and could be detrimental if it doesn’t work
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I didn’t say it was a good idea. We have a president that wants to win re-election at all costs.

941Gator · Apr 4, 2020

devine said: ↑

A vaccine takes a year at the fastest to roll out
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The question was assuming one was approved and ready by July - hypothetically. I expect an answer, pal.

And in this very thread there has been articles talking about vaccines getting explored/created in February with a hopeful fast track of 6 months.

Champ · Apr 4, 2020

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SIAP but just saw this fucked up video

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So that’s how the spread started in Italy

devine · Apr 4, 2020

941Gator said: ↑

The question was assuming one was approved and ready by July - hypothetically. I expect an answer, pal.

And in this very thread there has been articles talking about vaccines getting explored/created in February with a hopeful fast track of 6 months.
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I said I don’t see sports starting without a vaccine, obviously if one is ready in July (it won’t be) then I would think there will be sports

941Gator · Apr 4, 2020

devine said: ↑

I said I don’t see sports starting without a vaccine, obviously if one is ready in July (it won’t be) then I would think there will be sports
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There is no chance there will be a vaccine by July, idiot.

JonathanCoachman · Apr 4, 2020

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So that’s how the spread started in Italy
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Venice, the place most responsible for the spread of ideas, objects etc in history is the culprit here.

Venice was China's gateway to the Western World for centuries so its pretty much a pilgrimage for Chinese tourists.

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