That is the WHO’s position. It is not the position of researchers at Harvard, UC Davis, Oregon, Brisbane, Beijing, and Guangzhou; as reported in the American Society of Microbiology review, comments in Nature and Environmental International, and the Guangzhou case report.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-india-52693987 The BBC reports that 20% of expectant mothers at Lokmanya Tilak Municipal General Hospital in Mumbai tested positive for COVID last month. We’ve been reading everything we can get our hands on regarding COVID and pregnancy due to our situation, While discussing the article it occurred to me that pregnancy would be a really good data point for prevalence estimates, given how common it is for delivering mothers to seek hospital admits, hospital policies encouraging tests for pregnant admits, and pregnancy’s imperfect but useful representative of the general population. Believe I saw a similar report out of New York last month.
wtf is happening in Arizona in June-July? http://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/florida Spoiler
Heatstroke. They’re about to move to the phase of the year where it exceeds 100 degrees 24 hrs a day, and it drops bodies like crazy. It’s the inverse of all those people who freeze to death in MN/WI during bad winter storms. Also all the wealthy people leave for other states.
Saying the first wave is done is like jumping out of a car that's doing 30 because you're not doing 70 anymore.
I had this conversation yesterday. You'd think by now there would be stories of millions of dead surgeons, construction workers and painters based on the destructive nature of wearing masks.
The anti-mask legion is truly one of the more stupid things to come out of this whole situation but again never underestimate how stupid the people of America are.
I mean at least the ones who claims it’s own freedom aren’t blatantly presenting misinformation. The ones who think the science is on their side is baffling
The sad thing is that when you do underestimate how stupid people are, the really stupid ones take pride in showing they are in fact more stupid than you thought.
George Carlin “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
Did you read those? 1. No data, just a review on buildings in general and speculating about air filtration. Again, no data. 2 and3.. Airborne transmission reviews. Yes, I never said the virus wasn’t spread by aerosolized droplet transmission. Of course it is. That’s not the same as spreading through an HVAC within a high rise building from apartment to apartment. I think that’s incredibly unlikely and if possible excrrrdingly rare and again, does not explain the data you posted about the higher percentage of NYCers “staying at home” 4. That Chinese study refers to HVAC airflow WITHIN A ROOM. Not through the ventilation system. It doesn’t at all apply to what you suggested regarding moving through a buildings HVAC system. the Korean Call center data was convincng to me that this doesn’t spread easily through HVAC systems or even long distances across a large room. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/south-korean-call-center-covid-19-outbreak-seating-chart-2020-4% "Despite considerable interaction between workers on different floors of building X in the elevators and lobby, spread of COVID-19 was limited almost exclusively to the 11th floor, which indicates that the duration of interaction (or contact) was likely the main facilitator for further spreading," the Korean CDC wrote in its report. When you disagree with me and post sources and those sources don’t at all support your supposition about the virus spreading through HVAC within a high rise building you waste my time reading what you link to as I’ve continued to take you as being genuine. It annoys me to think you are arguing just for the sake of arguing. So if you’re going to argue, at least understand your own argument and post data that supports it. Finding articles that say “this is airborne” is reductionist and unhelpful.
Re: HVAC spread, don’t most commercial units have some sort of UV treatment to clean air? Or am I just imagining that?
Isn’t that misleading? Those percentages on top of a pretty small number is still a pretty small number. That said, don’t take these unless you are sick and under the supervision of a doctor.
Most of the people who argue climate is a significant factor are arguing the humidity is more of a factor. While warmer air can hold more water (an increase in humidity), the dryer warmer air is being argued to have less of an impact on infect-ability as warmer air which is more humid. Arizona while warmer is a much drier air so my own assumption would be that it would be less effective. Again this position is highly debated at the moment and nothing has been confirmed.
For my corporate building they are considering installing one (UV Filter) and the only apprehension is the significant cost. So I would argue that these are not commonly found.
Link? Dryer air would dry out aerosolized droplets faster and over shorter distances. So if I had to guess, the opposite should be true.
I am on my cell but I can pull the study when I get to my desk and send it over. I would have guessed the opposite was true as well.
Here is the study I was referring to. It mentioned the link between both temperature and relative humidity in reduction of infect-ability. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32361460/ I admit I need to re-read this as it’s been a couple weeks since I reviewed it. It’s also a pre-print.
Some restaurants have begun to open for dine-in near me in San Diego. Tempted to grab corned beef hash benedict at a favorite spot of mine.
Agreed which was why I made sure to include the part about how this topic is still widely debated and is not proven at this point.
I'm going camping in Joshua Tree this weekend and it's on my way. One last real meal before I starve myself with my shitty camping rations.
the PBS Frontline on the malfeasance by Florida and Georgia officials during the pandemic will be good
Not editing out the name cause fuck em, they aren't a friend of mine. First response on my friends wife posting the question of sending your kids back to school if they require a mask....
Someone better tell all those doctors and nurses that have been wearing masks for hours a day for years!
that scene always irked me because if you got hit from behind the cereal would go backward, not forward. #inertia
Arkansas sees largest one day spike in new COVID-19 cases at 455; still, youth sports and camps can reopen HEALTHCARETALK POLITICS by Roby Brock ([email protected]) On a day Arkansas reported its largest daily increase in COVID-19 cases – 455 statewide – Gov. Asa Hutchinson outlined guidelines for restarting youth sports and reopening summer camps for kids. According to Gov. Hutchinson, the number of active cases hit a high of 1,433 as testing continues to expose wider spread of the coronavirus across the state. Of active cases, 543 are in prisons, 94 in nursing homes, and 796 in the general population. “Yes, this is a concern to us. We know it is reflective of the increased testing we’re doing,” Hutchinson said. Of the 455 new cases reported Thursday (May 21), 229 came from a federal correctional facility in Forrest City (St. Francis County). Another 226 cases were from “community spread” meaning they are in the general population and ranged from Northwest Arkansas to the Louisiana border. Hutchinson and Dr. Nate Smith, the state’s Health Secretary, said they don’t indicate a major wave statewide, but do represent spikes in isolated communities. For instance, there were 46 new cases in adjacent Pope and Yell counties; 53 new cases in Benton and Washington counties in Northwest Arkansas; 19 new cases in Union County; and 34 new cases extending from Craighead to Crittenden counties in Northeast Arkansas. The state has been processing results from more than 2,000 tests per day since May 12 and just this week had a day of analyzing more than 3,000 tests and another day of 4,000. Spoiler Smith has discussed the need for contact tracing to help isolate cases and small outbreaks to prevent further spread. He has asked for more funding to hire as many as 200 contact tracers. Initially, the state had about a 35% rate of unknown origin of COVID-19 cases. Today, Smith said it is closer to 20%, meaning that 80% have been traced. “80% is not enough. We need to get that over 90%,” he said. “We can interrupt chains of transmission” now that we know where they are, he added. Arkansas has had a cumulative total of 5,458 COVID-19 cases with 3,019 recovering. Eighty-six (86) patients are hospitalized, up by seven from yesterday, and 110 people have died from the disease, an increase of three from Wednesday. In the U.S., there have been a reported 1,562,714 cases with 294,312 recoveries and 93,863 deaths. Globally, there have been 5,047,377 cases with 1,924,231 recoveries and 329,816 deaths. YOUTH SPORTS, DAY CAMPS Hutchinson said that youth sports can restart on June 1. He outlined parameters for community and school teams sports that included: Ticket sales online, if possible. Team practice and competition prohibited for close contact sports such as basketball, wrestling, football, volleyball, soccer and martial arts. Practices would be allowed using individual equipment and physical distancing. Temperature checks for coaches and staff. Face coverings for those 10 years old and older, with athletes removing them during activity. Showers prohibited, locker rooms for storage only. Frequent sanitizations of facilities and equipment. Avoid huddles, high-fives, and other non-sport related contact. Practice and competitions would be allowed for limited contact team sports like baseball, softball, track, gymnastics and swimming. “When it comes to baseball, let’s play ball this summer,” Hutchinson said. “I’m delighted that we can play some ball under some restrictions… I know how important this is for our families and our communities.” Hutchinson said that he and Dr. Smith would revisit guidelines on sports, which can be read here, on June 30. As for camps, Hutchinson said day camps and overnight camps can open on May 31 with counselors set to arrive a week earlier. The complete Health Department guidelines can be accessed here. If families don’t feel comfortable sending their children to camps, they should not do it, he advised. “We’re giving a big freedom of choice here. Some parents may say the time is not right,” Hutchinson said. “Those are individual decisions that those people must make.” Dr. Jose Romero, a specialist in infectious diseases at Arkansas Children’s, shared information in the governor’s press conference on Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children (MIS-C). It has been found in some children following COVID-19. It includes fever for more than a day, inflammation in the body, and can affect multiple organs, including gastrointestinal tracts, liver, kidneys, the heart, and brain. Romero said it can be treated and is similar to symptoms found in Kawasaki disease. Hutchinson was asked if opening up more activities that involve children is a good idea considering the big spike in cases revealed today. “You have to balance that with my belief as I’ve expressed that we’re not going to shelter-in-place, we’re not going to go back to it, we’re not going to further shut down our economy,” Hutchinson said. “We’re going to have to learn to manage this economy and we’re going to have to stop the spread of the virus. You’ve got to do those two things simultaneously. Life goes on. We have to educate. We have to make a living. We have to make sure people have access to providing for their families…That’s what the people of Arkansas expect.” Other notes from the Governor’s daily press conference include: Dr. Smith called for more blood donations due to dwindling supply. The Crater of Diamonds State Park in Murfreesboro will reopen May 22. The state’s beleaguered unemployment assistance portal is processing claims. 5,854 have entered information and 3,975 have had payments issued. Gov. Hutchinson asked patrons of restaurants and businesses to comply with an owner’s request to wear a mask on-premises. “It’s unacceptable and it’s embarrassing” to not protect the health of other patrons and workers, he said. “It’s a selfish act to not abide by the guidelines to protect yourself and others.”
My concern is that some of the low approval is tied to not “reopening the economy” and he can co-opt that message. I hope to be wrong.