Truthers: Fl is exaggerating pneumonia deaths as well. Many of those are just old age heart failures.
Florida doesn’t have 5248 deaths from pneumonia. Florida has 6,417 deaths from pneumonia, covid-19 and influenza Total according to the CDC. I know that we both think that’s understated a bit but let’s take that at face value. The CDC lists 1,835 from covid-19, 5,248 from pneumonia and 301 from influenza which is 7,384. It seems clear to me that some deaths count in both categories. It’s not nearly enough to make up for the increase in pneumonia deaths. There are clearly covid-19 deaths being missed. Some covid deaths seem to be marked in both the covid and pneumonia categories though and we can’t just skip over that point.
You literally just typed it out “The CDC lists 1,835 from covid-19, 5,248 from pneumonia and 301 from influenza which is 7,384.” So yes Florida does have 5,248 deaths from pneumonia
You’re being weird and getting lost in the numbers. That’s why you compare to prior years. You ask what is the expected number of deaths based on previous years from this type of illness and where are we now. If there’s a significant deviation from expected, it’s probably due to covid. If that doesn’t make up the difference, you’re left with 2 options - 1) some other respiratory illness is sweeping the nation at the same time as covid or 2) you’re drastically undercounting covid. that’s the entire point of having a metric like excess deaths in the first place.
and at least 1,000 of those are likely patients who are also listed as dying of covid-19. The whole debate is whether we are seeing people die from covid-19 but incorrectly listed as dying from pneumonia. If they are in the covid-19 death category, they don’t fit that bill. Take 1,000 off the pneumonia number and it still tells the story but it tells it in an irrefutable way.
You do realize that you just came to the exact same conclusion as I did in a more roundabout way? Average pneumonia deaths were roughly 900 for last 20 years during same period, this year 5200 so about 4k excess. I’m failing to see what you’re trying to prove at this point.
I just like that Florida has so many bad drivers that somehow its better for people overall that there is a global pandemic killing thousands of people in the state.
Is 900 just how far we are in the year divided by the average deaths in a year/ Not that it makes a huge difference, but the majority of flu deaths for example happen in January and February. There isn't a pneumonia season, but are pneumonia deaths distributed relatively equally over the year? Even if there isn't a single pneumonia death for the rest of the year that 5,000 number is way over what is normal for the entire year.
Looking at the per capita number, surprised that we're doing better than almost all of Western Europe (excepting Germany) and that Iran has performed so well
You are double counting deaths. Roughly 1000 people are listed in both the covid-19 and pneumonia category. So it’s about 3,000 excess just from the pneumonia numbers. It’s still a major story. Florida numbers are likely double or more what they are reporting. I was just pointing out that those numbers list some deaths in both categories. I’m just talking pneumonia. It’s my belief that there are other deaths listed in none of these categories that can be attributed to covid-19. I just don’t know why this isn’t being talked about more.
It’s historical data from the CDC coded as a pneumonia or influenza death from 1998-2018 broken out by month. Then I took a sum of Feb-May in each respective year then found the average of those.
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I think I heard this guy on NPR about a month ago and he sounded like a man who had completely lost faith in everything because basically he had been warning people in power for years about the exact situation we are in now and no one cared
I understand what you are saying. And even if you subtract the 900 “normal” pneumonia deaths and all the covid deaths, you still end up with like 2,300 “extra” pneumonia deaths. Which is a huge fucking problem. Because either the pneumonia pandemic is worse than covid (it isn’t) or Florida is screwing the pooch on its numbers (it is).
Something is off. You are claiming it’s around 900. This article claims that Florida had over 3,000 deaths from pneumonia in 2018. https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/l...irus-more-deadly-florida-than-flu/3067900001/
But the flu season is not active much at all outside of the seasonal times which from my recollection, is between January and April. It starts ramping up in December but most deaths occur during the winter months, not the summer. Does Florida see a lot of deaths from the flu in July?
Also he is saying there were only 900 deaths as an average. Was 2018 a year which saw three times as many flu deaths than the average? The article I referenced showed over 3,000 deaths from pneumonia. I am not sure how the fact it’s May would effect the numbers in the article.
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One of my biggest gripes is the disconnect between evangelical Christians and science. Science isn’t a challenge to your beliefs, it’s a gift from the knowledge God gave you. We know wearing masks works thanks to science through the knowledge you’ve been given, wear the mask, that’s how God “has you covered.” I say this as a Christian, but I hope the atheist contingent here can at least appreciate the general notion. Not trying to start a religious debate in here, just venting.
Someone once said to me “You know what the biggest problem with Christianity is? It’s the Christians....” As a Christian I fully agree with and probably have emulated that saying at a lot of points in my life and probably some times on this board actually. The problem with the line of thinking above which you shared is it’s a complete misrepresentation of what we are taught. Christians have a responsibility to protect and safeguard others which would indicate we are called by God to wear a mask and do everything possible to prevent the spread of this disease. The issue is others have twisted their beliefs to match their wants and to justify their ungodly behavior. I asked a couple of people I know who were parroting the same message, that God would protect them, if they refused to wear a seatbelt? They looked confused saying no of course they do. I asked why if God was going to protect them? They didn’t have a very good answer.
evangelical christianity is a death cult built on white supremacy it doesnt really have much to do with the milquetoast christianity most people talk about
Failing to recognize they are the very Pharisees they were warned about has always gotten a chuckle from me