The worst case scenario under Hilary would’ve still been 100x better than what we’re dealing with today. Sadly I feel like Trump still has plenty more to go before hitting rock bottom. Seriously it’s like he’s single handedly fast forwarded decades of what would’ve been an eventual societal decay and compressed it into most of one presidential term. It’s so crazy to me.
I had this thought last night. There’s no way her presidency could have been any worse than what we’ve seen and are dealing with today.
The people saying “Hillary couldn’t possibly have been this bad” are bald face lying and trying to rationalize their shitty logic in 2016, when they thought to themselves, “well they should have run a better candidate out there than Hillary Clinton if they didn’t want me to vote trump.” At worst, Hillary would have been 4 years of literally no positive or negative. At best, she would have marginally improved things for the working American while coupling it with kicking back to her establishment.
she would have had competent members in her administration. She wouldn’t have done away with Obama’s policies that would have had us in a better position to deal with the pandemic. She wouldn’t have gotten rid of policies that might have led to better oversight. people voted for a failed businessman. One with zero political history. Zero knowledge of how to run a government. That’s what they voted for to and that’s what they got. They are beyond stupid to have not known what was coming.
The Democratic Voting base in general needs to get on the Republicans’ level of realpolitik winning. If your preferred progressive doesn’t get elected, rally behind the worse choice that still carries your colors and try again next time. Again, at worst, at least you didn’t let republicans ruin everything for four years. ie get Biden elected and worry about warren’s / yang’s / enter progressive here’s chance to enact real change next time.
I’ve echoed it in another thread but if you think “Hillary would be just as bad” read The Fifth Risk by Michael Lewis to see how little interest Trumps admin has in any level of the government
I guess compared to everything thats happened in the last 3.5 years asking for less than fascism is bad.
Go to trumps fan page or whatever then click on the part where it shows who likes. Your friends will be at the top. I had roughly 70/1000 friends on the list so not too bad, but still felt revolted seeing each name
The 63m people who voted for him didn’t. Most of those still don’t or at least refuse to accept it. I can’t even talk politics with my conservative friends anymore.
I only have three but two of them I already knew about. Third one not surprising given his background.
Damn. What is your friends total? You must be pretty selective in who you add or have done pruning over the years. 90% of mine were people from my redneck town but sucks to see a few college/grad school people
i really love how he’s portraying this as “what everyone else thinks” and not necessarily his opinion he 100% wants the military to slaughter black people and minorities but he’s too chickenshit to actually say it so he hides behind the “just saying this is what other’s think” he should eat shit and die
Given where you were politically, say 5 years ago, give you ton of respect for being open minded and evolving.
Delete your god damn facebooks, you savages. You shouldn't be in a position to see how many people you're acquainted with still support Donald Trump.
I will at the end of the week. Want to make sure the people I talk with on there see my message with my phone # so we can stay in touch. I assume the message would disappear if I delete my account.
Messenger can still be used. Deactivate your account. I have no idea why I waited so long, but I don’t miss it.
A lot of people lack any semblance of awareness... I'm just a little puzzled why you felt the need to say something as obvious as "There’s no way [Hillary's] presidency could have been any worse than what we’ve seen and are dealing with today."
Messenger is the part I would delete. That app does some funky shit to your phone. (I use Facebook through my phone browser, don't have the app)
how? She is one of the most qualified people to ever run. How you could of thought Donald Trump would be better makes me think you hate women or have brain worms.
Good on you for admitting that, but how? I'm genuinely interested in how you could rationalize a notion that absurd and still be seemingly open minded enough to accept it wasn't true later. It's not like there wasn't sufficient evidence ahead of time. Did you change your media habits? Was it something that affected you in your personal life? Just maturity?
I was a lot more conservative four years ago. You need to learn to let things go when people admit they were wrong.
Yeah, I lied to myself like this, too and thought I was doing good by not having the app. Do you really care what all of those people have to say? How many of them would you truly consider a friend? As someone who contemplated it for years, finally bailing was 100% the right call. It’s so much more of a negative influence on your life than you might realize.
nah this was a rather important thing that a lot of people blew, for really bad reasons, and it has hurt millions of people
I don’t disagree. My point is you need to be aware of how you say things if you want people to be willing to have a conversation and change their minds. Otherwise they’ll just dig in further. See wes tegg post vs yours. Inquisitive vs insulting.
sorry I’m going to cause you to vote for Trump again because I posted something on this message board
Damn, chill. The guy has grown and admitted he took the wrong stance 4 years ago. We've gained an ally here and there is literally nothing we can do to change the fact that the last 3.5 years have happened. Yes, some fucked up shit has happened as a result but our only priority right now should be to staunch the bleeding by preventing 4 more years of it. My best friend voted Trump in 2016 and while that fact ails me, he has also admitted his error and extended an olive branch to open a dialogue with me about how he can talk to his family about it and convince them to vote for Biden.
i only really make fun of the ones who are super defensive and kind of obfuscate i'll casually make fun of the penitent ones
Oh I see now. There is a deactivate and a delete option. I don’t want to merely deactivate, I want to rid myself of Facebook entirely
I voted for Gary Johnson in 16 as I didn’t believe in voting for someone I didn’t support just to counter act someone who was worse. The last four years have me ready to vote for El Chapo if the dems ran him against Trump.
I’d vote for Scooby Doo before I voted for Trump. Hell, I’d vote merely for a Scooby Snack over Trump.