Shooting at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas

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  1. dblplay1212

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    You're acting like every criminal defendant is poor. That's not the case. And you're acting like the plaintiffs in the Vegas case were a bunch of poor uneducated people filing a case on their own. They weren't. They had really good lawyers on their side too.

    Bottom line, it's silly to assume guilt based on a please/settlement. There's many more factors that play into that than just guilt/innocence.
     
  2. VaxRule

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    100% innocent very wealthy defendants are substantially less likely to settle a criminal case with time in jail than hose that are less well off. Source: 100% guilty Robert Kraft fighting his case when he was offered a literal no penalty plea deal.

    The insurance company and MGM have all the necessary resources to fight the case forever. They aren’t settling for that large of a sum unless the risk of an unfavorable verdict is very high.
     
  3. dblplay1212

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    You're assuming it's all about guilt/innocence and them wanting to move on and stop getting bad press for fighting victims played no role. Again, there's way more at play than just if they'd be found negligent or not. Having this drag out for 5 years could have cost them $800m even if the case went their way. Them suing the victims last year was a horrible look for them. Strategically it made sense but it was awful PR.

    I'll say it again, them agreeing to a settlement isn't a clear sign they were negligent or that they would have lost the case. Risk/reward and moving on from terrible PR plays a huge role.
     
  4. VaxRule

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    The insurance company is the one that would try and drag the case out. They have greater resources than the plaintiff. Plaintiffs attorneys need to get paid.
     
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  5. dblplay1212

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    Right, but if MGM is willing to pay a good chunk of it, say $400m, to make it go away now, it makes sense for the insurance company to kick in the other $400m to end it rather than expose themselves to much greater risk down the road. We have no idea how much of the $800 is being covered by MGM or the insurance company. We know what their coverage was but that doesn't mean they couldn't have an agreement for MGM to pay a good chunk of it. It was in everyone's best interest to end it now to avoid it being drug out and potentially a much bigger payout.
     
  6. Ty Webb

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    https://www.reviewjournal.com/busin...-tied-to-las-vegas-shooting-mgm-says-1692662/

    From the above article and relevant to our current convo:
    According to MGM, it has to pay up to $500,000 for the defense of shooting-related claims, and Zurich is in charge of paying the rest, up to the point its limit of liability is exhausted by paying settlements or judgments.

    “The Zurich Policy is designed and intended … to provide broad coverage for the most serious claims that MGM could face,” MGM said in the case. “Zurich has not fulfilled all of its obligations … (and) has failed to pay for all reasonable defense costs.”
     
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  7. dblplay1212

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    “This dispute does not relate to coverage for a potential settlement and is limited to Zurich’s obligation to pay defense costs in this matter,” MGM spokesman Brian Ahern said.

    I doubt we ever see a breakdown but I'd be interested in seeing a breakdown of who is paying what of that $800m.
     
  8. racer

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    Sweet deductible. Good on their controller or whoever is in charge of those things.
     
  9. Ty Webb

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    It'll come out in their SEC filings.
     
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  10. bertwing

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    Zurich Insurance sucks
     
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  11. VaxRule

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    Fixed
     
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  12. Ty Webb

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    I have a feeling that the $500,000 deductible for shooting related claims is higher than their deductible for most if not all other types of claims that would fall under their GL.
     
  13. bertwing

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    Not sure acts of terrorism would be a covered peril
     
  14. Ty Webb

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    Terrorism is included unless you reject it under the Terrorism Risk Insurance Act. If you reject it, the CGL policy will be endorsed accordingly.

    The fact that there is a specific deductible for shootings tells me that shootings are contemplated by the policy.
     
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  15. Chipper>Jeter

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    4 pages of dbl? Nope
     
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  16. xec

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    Every Vegas resort has/did. They responded very well. Within a minute of the initiation of firing they had security personnel on the floor.
     
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  17. TC

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    Ahh here come the lawyers. Neat.
     
  18. Jack Parkman

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    I can only imagine dbl debating topics like this after he’s been drinking

    Now that we’ve seen it sober(I think)
     
  19. dblplay1212

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    Pretty powerful lyrics/visuals in Em's new video

     
  20. Beeds07

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    That is unnerving and incredibly well done.
     
  21. blind dog

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    2020: When fucking Slim Shady has more sense than our country/government
     
  22. Wendel Clark

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    Great lyrics but man his flow is just fucking awful now
     
  23. CTownND

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    Did they ever officially release what this guy's motive was?
     
  24. xec

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    It remains to be unknown.
     
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  25. ZeroPointZero

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    Couldn’t get a haircut and went postal
     
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  26. Redav

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    There's not going to be a motive
     
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  27. dukebuckeye

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    Official motive: Piece of shit.
     
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  28. the Weimar Beer Belly

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  29. Can I Spliff it

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    It's just one of those things that we are not allowed to know i guess
     
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  30. DuckKin

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    Could it just be easier to think there was no motive at all?

    Ted Bundy gave all his motives (all bullshit) but the reason he killed was because he wanted to.
     
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  31. Redav

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    Most serial killers didn't have a hard and fast motive other than maybe being antisocial and angry at some segment of society. Most other mass shooters don't have one either.
     
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  32. Bruce Wayne

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    Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
     
  33. Fafa fofo

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    Should have quoted your butler.
     
  34. LuPoor

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    He did
     
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  35. Fafa fofo

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    You’re not very good at English are you? To quote some one one would usually is quotation marks and site the source.
     
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  36. LuPoor

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    Tell me more about this English language you have mastered, plagiarism police.
     
  37. Fafa fofo

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    Sorry my attempt at a joke overstepped.
     
  38. LA window washer

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    Have I missed any real remembrance for these victims? I feel like this is weirdly one of the least talked about serious acts of terrorism? No conspiracy thoughts, just a question.
     
  39. Name P. Redacted

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    White people can’t be terrorists. Just another mental health lone wolf situation.
     
  40. racer

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    13 months
     
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  41. prerecordedlive

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    So 1 person will get 13 months in exchange for 58 lives?
     
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  42. DuckKin

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    too many victims.

    one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic - Michael Scott
     
  43. Redav

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    And the 800+ who were injured
     
  44. laxjoe

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    Wow wow wow
     
  45. xec

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    A memorial was established at the Welcome to Fabulous Las Vegas sign so that visitors could take selfies and create traffic jams on Las Vegas Blvd. It was removed after a year since MGM wanted to put distance between themselves and the shooting and to improve business at Mandalay Bay.
     
  46. Hatfield

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    3 year "anniversary" today....this shit is still baffling to me from all aspects - motive, consequences, place in our collective consciousness. Seems like we just filed this one away and moved on, but it was some fucked up shit at the time.

    Deadliest mass shooting in US history and hardly any mentions...
     
  47. Barves2125

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    What else can we do?
     
  48. spagett

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    You're right. Should be remembered more often, but I do hope we trend towards giving mass shooters as little attention as possible
     
  49. blind dog

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    Ts & Ps
     
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  50. the Weimar Beer Belly

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    He was probably listening to Macho Man by YMCA