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  1. Boyd Crowder

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    I wonder what it was across all streamers involved. I remember glancing at Hasan’s while watching AOC and he had like 50K.
     
  2. RonBurgundy

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    Among Us as a category had 690K at one point.
     
  3. IanBoyd

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    all the other streamers had around 20-50k
     
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  5. IV

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    Oh looks politicians that aren’t ghouls
     
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  6. Odin

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    his youtube channel has 3.1m subs. guy reads "scary" stories from like reddit and shit. had never heard of him before he starting playing with otv.
     
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  7. afb

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    You can watch her VOD on twitch
     
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  10. IanBoyd

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    AOC swooning over Corpse's voice

     
  11. southside

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    Does she know twitch is owned by amazon
     
  12. Handcuffed

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    very big energy of this

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  13. Sir Phobos

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    - sent from my iPhone

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    - Michael Scott
     
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  14. southside

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    Not surprised you can’t find the humor in it
     
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  15. Boyd Crowder

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    Everyone should do themselves a favor and watch Milton’s VOD from yesterday. He started playing Doki Doki Literature Club and it’s probably the most I have ever laughed at a twitch stream.
     
  16. Bruce Wayne

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    Just quote tweeting Doc to give context who the guy is

     
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  17. IV

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    lol, you should pay us extra to play our games

    At this rate I’m gonna end up farther left than Iron Mickey
     
  18. Arrec Bardwin

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    Left or Right doesn't really have anything to do with it.

    Copyright law needs a major overhaul with the proliferation of livestreaming and online VOD content. The way it works right now, that guy is probably right about using game studios IP to profit.

    Its a fucked system that was intended to target Limewire, Napster and torrance sites on behalf of the music and movie industries. Will be interesting to see how it shakes out, but the music industry in general is cutthroat as fuck and they will not give a shit if they completely take Twitch down.

    They really need to update and more clearly what "fair use" is in the modern sense.
     
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  19. Arrec Bardwin

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    Also Google Stadia is a massive failure, so maybe Doc is making fun of that take?
     
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  20. IanBoyd

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    Lol, streaming is a HUGE net positive for publishers/devs, Among Us was released last year, it only exploded because Soda played it on stream in March of this year and now its the #1 trending topic on the internet.

    Crucible, the Amazon game that they threw a billion dollars at, poached game devs from every company in the industry just quietly shut down services after years in development because they didn't bother to use their own damn platform to advertise it properly for launch hype.
     
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  21. PeterGriffin

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    The only loss of revenue from my experience is if I watch a Let’s Play on a story focused single player game. That satisfies my itch and can prevent a purchase. Otherwise, seeing other people play a game convinces me to grab the game as well. Streamers popularize skins, exponentially increasing MTX as well, so this make-streamers-pay-for-a-license take to me is freezing cold.
     
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  22. Arrec Bardwin

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    I think it depends on the game, but in general yes its free marketing in a lot of cases.
     
  23. IanBoyd

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    The people that can't afford to spend 60 dollars on AAA games won't suddenly start spending 60 dollars on your AAA games that fewer big streamers are streaming, they'll simply watch the games that the big name streamers ARE streaming or find some other cheap means of entertainment. Trying to nickel and dime the streamers aren't gonna make up that lost revenue.
     
  24. IanBoyd

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    That depends also entirely on the game, a single player story driven game with amazing gameplay won't suffer from players watching a Let's Play and spoiling the story. I could have watched 500 different streamers play God of War back in 2018 and I still would have spent 60 dollars on it without question.

    I could see it being the case for a story driven game that's lacking in the gameplay like TLoU, but the answer to that is simply "lol, make a game with better gameplay".
     
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  25. Arrec Bardwin

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    I think you don't really understand copyright claims. It isn't claiming damages to recover lost revenue, its claiming people used your IP to profit and owe you money.

    You're correct it would be moronic for them to do this, because of the bad publicity it would bring and also the net negative in free marketing it would be for most games.
     
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  26. IanBoyd

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    Which is why since the start of the sneaker era, schools/athletes no longer pay apparel companies for gear but instead the other way around. For the Creative Director of a modern gaming platform to try and argue a pre 1970s business model is just moronic.
     
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  27. IV

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    yeah my comment was basically his take was out of control greed and shortsightedness
     
  28. IanBoyd

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    his twitter responses to that tweet is even more moronic.

    I think at one point he compared streamers streaming video games to someone getting free labor.

    Just wait until someone tell him Lebron James doesn't pay 200 dollars per shoe to Nike but has the audacity to ask THEM for money to wear their product.
     
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  29. Sir Phobos

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    July, actually. it's only been about three months, which is crazy for several reasons.
     
  30. Arrec Bardwin

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    Apples to oranges since its not a copyright issue but a production issue, but yes the point is the same. It doesn't make good business sense for video game studios to crack down on copyright issues.
     
  31. afb

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    Lupo is live but isnt on. He's running a tool showing it deleting all his clips/vods

    shit is wild
     
  32. Arrec Bardwin

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  33. Arrec Bardwin

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    He's watching this and talking about it right now if you have 20 minutes

     
  34. Boyd Crowder

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    I know nothing about the legalities of it, but it seems like there should be a subscription service for streamers to use artists’ catalogs. And allow viewers to request songs for a price determined by the streamer to be split with the record label or whoever. And run a crawl with the song/artist info on stream. Seems like something like that would be a win-win for all involved.
     
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  35. Arrec Bardwin

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    There are services like this, but most music industry rights holders want a lot of money to license for streaming use. Look at prices to have one of those digital juke boxes in a bar, they're insane.

    So these services have a pretty limited selection of music that won't get claimed.
     
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  36. Lyrtch

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    i think the fair use arguments for streaming these things for content is dicey, the creators of these games/songs have all the rights to protect their usage and streamers have management teams who could likely clear these games for free use in these settings

    the wild west never seemed long for this world
     
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  37. IV

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    long story sell while the stock is high
     
  38. WillySaliba

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    Just as a secondary frame of reference. I work in IT/Telecom and have encountered this for the last 20 years. They literally have lawyers who go after corporations for music on hold. A ton of companies used to pump through a radio station or they’d have a cassette/CD player on loop, both of which are illegal. There are only a few select services that offer up legal music, aka pushing back royalties, so if your company name was not on that list they could come after you. Naturally they always went for the big fish, from a volume perspective. With technological developments this isn’t really an issue anymore but at a time there were companies that existed and made money off of the premise.
     
  39. Sir Phobos

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    if you're ever feeling like what you've chosen for a career matters, just understand that sodapoppin has a mute, that mute now streams, and that mute makes almost $20,000 a month in subs.

    I'm not going to explain what a mute is because knowing that combined with the above sentence may drive one of you into depression.
     
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  40. Emma

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    What is a mute?
     
  41. Sir Phobos

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    I'm glad you asked. Within the massive weeb degeneracy nest that is VRChat there's this ecosystem that has evolved and within it are mutes, people who enter VRChat but do not speak (hence the name "mute"). They entertain via dancing and whatnot, usually in the avatars of busty anime characters (again, weebs). I can already tell where your mind is going (which is fair, it should because again, VRChat is degenerate as fuck) but this is not a sexual thing at all. I believe some of them want to stay mysterious and others are just anxious about chatting but still want to interact with people and so this just became an outlet for them. They're not pets either, this isn't a Pulp Fiction gimp thing.

    tl;dr soda "chose" a mute in a VRChat competition. Happy (HappyThoughts) then became sort of a stream mascot for soda, Happy would screen share their own stream, soda would capture that on OBS and throw it onto his stream and Happy would thank subs and donos for soda by writing their name down ( ) . Later, soda's chat found out Happy made a Twitch and they absolutely blew the fuck up as a streamer.

    This is an example of how Happy streams, they're doing a special project WoW stream with a whole bunch of streamers right now. What you see there is a VTuber avatar of Happy's VRChat avatar.

    https:// clips.twitch.tv/BlazingArbitraryCoyoteKappaWealth - remove those spaces to watch, this site's Twitch embedding blows.

    And know that I told you all of that and you've taken it in, remember that this person is pulling in nearly $20,000 a month just in subs right now playing WoW and not saying a single word while you bust your ass at whatever job you have currently.


    e: I don't actually watch a lot of Twitch, it's usually just background audio when I'm gaming, but if I'm watching, 95+% of the time it's just soda's stream so I know entirely too much shit related to him.
     
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  42. WillySaliba

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    So you said he doesn’t talk but you posted a clip of him talking? Help me understand because I’m still lost.
     
  43. Sir Phobos

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    That's soda. His mute is in the bottom-right corner.
     
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  44. WillySaliba

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    Ok so I assume the mute doesn’t show their face?
     
  45. PAHokie

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    the guy talking is soda. Happy is the avatar thing in bottom right corner. I think.
     
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  46. WillySaliba

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    Yeah he already cleared that up for me, lol.
     
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  47. TrustyPatches

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    Which one is the mute
     
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  48. Nemesis05

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    So is happy a dude or a girl?
     
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  49. Sir Phobos

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    cmon
     
  50. Emma

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    Streamer Ryan Gosling

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