*Now the Official Jobs Thread* by popular demand

Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Jax Teller, Oct 18, 2011.

  1. Boo MFer!

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    Oh I agree with you that it’s likely positive in his favor, just saying the opposite does happen. I’ve hired people the day after final interviews.
     
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  2. Boo MFer!

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  3. Name P. Redacted

    Name P. Redacted I have no money and I'm also gay
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    I think my company does the video thing....I can’t imagine having to do that
     
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  4. Marty Kaan

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    Just went back into tech onsulting but as a sub-contractor. Lined up to take on a long term managed service gig. This could easily be the best situation I've ever had work wise.
     
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  5. dukebuckeye

    dukebuckeye I’m OK with your low opinion of me.
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    I mean, this attitude is why he probably is still looking. Do I agree with everything companies require? Of course not, but if you’re not willing to do the work to get the job, you’re probably not going to do the work if you had the job.
     
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  6. Name P. Redacted

    Name P. Redacted I have no money and I'm also gay
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    I crush ass at my job and the thought of making an intro video to apply makes me want to jump out the window.

    There has to be a line somewhere that everyone collectively agrees is too much with regards to "hoops to jump through to apply to a job".
     
  7. dukebuckeye

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    Right. You’re not in a position where you need to do that.

    This guy clearly is applying for new jobs because he’s not happy or about to be separated from his current job and he doesn’t enjoy the fact that he has to do a little work to get jobs that other people are willing to out-work him for.
     
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  8. Name P. Redacted

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    This is where we just see the world differently. You view it as part of the hustle and I view it as something that should just not exist.
     
  9. Shawn Hunter

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    An intro video? Unless I really wanted the job I’d just be like “nah, I’m good.”
     
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  10. REGGNECK

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    Just send your candy corn videos ...
    #lfehack
     
  11. DuffandMuff

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    I’m in the commercial aviation industry, which has obviously been killed by covid. We won’t be receiving any raises or bonuses this year.

    I took a vacation last month and my boss told me not to submit PTO. Currently on vacation again and he said the same thing.

    Now he just came out and directly said he’s sorry he can’t give me a raise. To counter that, he said I can take vacations and not submit any time off. At the end of the year I can sell back as much time as I want. Pretty sweet deal all things considered. I’m at about 180 PTO hours currently.
     
  12. dukebuckeye

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    Exactly. It’s meant to filter people out.
     
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  13. Shawn Hunter

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    I had one job recently that I applied for online where I had to fill in the application on their website then I received an automated request telling me to stop by their location to fill out a paper application. Like WTF was the point of the online one then and why can’t these assholes just print that one?
     
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  14. Name P. Redacted

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    What’s really cool about this “create a custom video for us” conversation is when I hear the VP level boomers talk about how they got their job at the company by walking in off the street and just filling out an application.
     
  15. TheGrifter

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    Unfortunately for job seekers, in the past year, the market has pulled a 180 degree turn.

    A year ago, there were more jobs than qualified applicants on the market, and job seekers were in control. Companies were basically at war for qualified talent, and companies were moving as quickly as possible to move candidates through the hiring process because they knew it was necessary. Other companies would win the race against them if they didn’t move quickly.

    Then Covid happened. The result is a complete shift to a company controlled market. There are tons of unemployed people out there looking for jobs, and competition is through the roof. Companies are going to take advantage of that fact. It means they are going to add hoops to the interview process to weed out candidates who aren’t willing to do the work they want in who they think it is the best candidate. With so many qualified applicants out there, they can frankly make job seekers do things like online videos and presentations during an interview when they couldn’t a year ago.

    It sucks for job seekers, but it’s the market right now.
     
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  16. Sportfan

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    I’ve been hiring people for the last handful of years and it definitely is a much different world than this time last year. I don’t think job seekers have adjusted well to this to be honest. Still asking for above market pay and other benefits. Talked to someone last night asking for 20% over market value who I would love to hire but just no way.

    Further to this I’m going to have a hard time retaining my good employees once things improve. No raises for the past 18 months and none on the horizons. Company is historically slow to adjust to things like this so I imagine we will manage to mess this up and I’ll have a mass exodus on my hands. I’ve come to peace with it though and this will be my last spot in management, whether it ends in a few months or years.
     
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  17. Hoss Bonaventure

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    It was definitely a much harder process finding a job than before covid. I did take a slight pay cut from my asking wage but I needed something and the new job is great experience and a huge resume booster. I was talking to another company that I had talked to back in July about a position again and they wanted to speak this week but they had to cancel the opening again due to covid picking up and clients putting o&g jobs on hold.
     
  18. leroi

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    saying an applicant was asking over your budget, i would understand. but market value is something different and probably not very easy to know off just a resume and an interview.

    when you get an applicant, how do you know what the market value is for that person's labor?
     
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  19. Sportfan

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    Not sure I’m answering the question (or point you’re making) but I’ve been hiring people in this space for a handful of years and know what top tier talent makes. Someone asking 20% over that (these are very high paying rolls where 20% over = $50k high) is just basically a non starter in this environment.
     
  20. leroi

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    i just reworded it to be clearer

    but from what you just described it does not appear to be a very rigorous process
     
  21. Sportfan

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    Gotcha, it’s a small world we operate in and I have my finger on the pulse for what top echelon people make for these roles in specific geographies. Meaning I can get similar talent at 20% less than what he’s asking.

    I would love to hire this person, but I cannot get them at that $. Not many companies could to be honest. He would 100% be worth the money but it’s just not possible in this current hiring environment.
     
  22. Shawn Hunter

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    What do you put for a salary range/requirement when applying for a job when you have no earthly idea what the range is?
     
  23. Boo MFer!

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    You should know what your own range (and perceived worth) is. If you think that’s worth $X, put $X. By putting something less than you’d take, you’re wasting your time and the company’s time.
     
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  24. Shawn Hunter

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    Yeah but what if you’re just trying to get a permanent job before your temp job ends?
     
  25. Boo MFer!

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    Then you need to decide what the salary is for that job that would be acceptable to you.
     
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  26. dukebuckeye

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    Figure out what your yes number is.
     
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  27. Shawn Hunter

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    Whatever gets me a job is my yes number.
     
  28. Henry Blake

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    If you google the job that you're seeking and click on one of the search results, it will give you a range for your level of experience. It will show ranges from different services like ZipRecruiter, Glassdoor, etc.

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  29. Marty Kaan

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    My room mate has an interview with snowflake. It is half the day and everyone interviews together. You come prepared with a presentation about why you should get the job and then everyone does a case study/presents their thoughts after a limited time reading.
     
  30. steamengine

    steamengine I don’t want to press one for English!
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    Are you working for a former client?
     
  31. Marty Kaan

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    My old practice in the firm got dissolved essentially bc it wasn't "on brand" anymore. They all went into different roles/teams. The partner still sells work but doesn't have any FTEs. He called me back in do sub-contractor work but has at least 2 years of work for me at 120-150/hr before taxes. I didn't hesitate to drop everything else. It is super chill.

    I learned how to grow cannabis and make hash so I have a couple other ways to make money in a pinch. Covid taught me that I had to diversify income bc shit dries up fast if you aren't paying attention
     
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  32. Baron

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    Yeah, fuck that.
     
  33. Marty Kaan

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    He is going to do it for the experience even though he about to join Oracle.
     
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  34. C Yank

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    That’s similar to Amazon for some roles. Whole day interview that involved working on an individual and team case study.
     
  35. Lyrtch

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    recruiter guys, what are decent excuses for delaying a response on an offer

    initial date of response requested was the 10th, set the table initially we'd need longer for legal review of contract, etc

    proobabbbblllyyy need to make it to thanksgiving without giving them a yes/no but out of ideas on how to keep punting without them getting mad, prefer not just going "waiting on another offer to come through that will usurp yours"

    contemplated saying just waiting on my wifes job situation to become clear which should be known next week
     
  36. Boo MFer!

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    Internal or external recruiter?
     
  37. Lyrtch

    Lyrtch My second favorite meat is hamburger
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    internal

    but also like, future boss on the email chains if the job doesn't come through that i'm waiting on
     
  38. Boo MFer!

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    Tough. As a hiring manager, I would have preferred honesty. Given everything going on in the world, I can’t imagine asking for additional time to ensure your wife’s situation is settled being looked down upon. If you’re the top candidate, they should be willing to wait.
     
  39. Lyrtch

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    to be clear the initial waiting period isn't a lie for a contract review to be completed
     
  40. Boo MFer!

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    I’m tracking. I still think honesty is best if you need to go beyond the initial waiting period.
     
  41. Capstone 88

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    Any and all salary and relocation reimbursement/bonus insight greatly appreciated or sources for negotiating these 2 items.

    got an offer for a new job. They came in 3.5% under my minimum number in my range which they said should be fine. Theyre wanting me to start in a month, but I’d be moving cities so I’m probably going to need relo to get out of my apartment lease.
     
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  42. Jax Teller

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    Man this is a rough time to be moving cities but sometimes you can't turn down offers.
    No insight on your ask, just random thoughts after along road trip.
     
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  43. TheGrifter

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    For a salaried position above entry level, relo should include the amount it costs to break your lease as part of of the package. But it really depends on the company. A good recruiter would have made sure that is part of the offer.
     
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  44. thunderstruck

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    Cost to break your lease + cost of a moving company to pack and move your shit. Call around and get a couple quotes.

    Get it all in writing and give it to them as a mini proposal. Make it professional and it might even impress them.
     
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  45. Baseballman86

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    So my company had a great sales year last year, and we’re going to get really good bonuses come March. If I interview elsewhere in between now and then, is it wrong professionally/ethically to basically wait until we get the bonus check, then turn in my 2 weeks basically immediately?
     
  46. Nug

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    Maybe not immediately, but I don't see anything egregious. The bonus is for work you've already done, and you're entitled to it.

    Is it the most upstanding thing to do? Probably not, but fuck companies. I doubt they'd give you the bonus if they were forced to lay people off in late February.

    My dream of leaving my job always centers around depositing my bonus check and flipping the bird on the way out.
     
  47. Boo MFer!

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    100% this.
     
  48. C Yank

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    Of the people that I know have quit my company, majority quit once a big stock vest hits their account.
     
  49. momux

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    I don't think so; in fact I think that's pretty common.
     
  50. DuffandMuff

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    Absolutely not.

    At a previous employer of mine, bonuses were paid out the last week of the year along with the 401k match and profit sharing plan. Then every year without fail, dozens of people would put in their two week notice during the first week of the new year. Our HR department even had that turnover written into their yearly workforce plan.

    I had zero qualms about cashing my check on 12/28 and dropping the two week notice on 1/3.