Do/Did You Have Student Loans?

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Student Loans?

  1. No

  2. Yes - 100% Paid off

  3. Yes - I'll be able to pay them off in 2-4 years

  4. Yes - I doubt I will be able to pay them off before Texas is actually back

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  1. Rusty Shackleford

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    I’m not saying don’t give people who deserve it money.

    I’m not saying quit funding peoples education. It is the single greatest driver for people improving their situation IMO.

    My point is the unlimited buckets of money that have been dropped into the higher education system have created a predatory system. Dropping more money in the system is at worse maintaining the stays quo and at worst causing the actors in the system to act more irresponsibly. If you want to give people money through the student loan system then require that the system be fixed (I would just take improvement). Otherwise you should find another vehicle to help people or you will continue to perpetuate the problem.
     
  2. dblplay1212

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    The interest isn't the only problem. Even when they are in deferment, they are still calculated as debt. If someone with $100k in student loans tries to buy a house, .5% to 1% is added into their budget. That's a $500 to $1000 payment that goes into their debt to income, even if they are paying $0 right now=. That causes many people to not have the ability to buy a house. It's not as easy as just stopping interest.
     
  3. wes tegg

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    But, it's not dropping more money in the system. That's where we're talking past each other.
     
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  4. AbeFroman

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    Mine are consolidated stafford loans and somehow didn't qualify for any covid relief. I expect similar results from any college debt relief. I'm still in favor of it.
     
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  5. Marbles

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    Absolutely. You could start by dropping interest on them. Then move on to freezing payments while you figure out how to at least refund the interest on these loans.
     
  6. Rusty Shackleford

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    I guess we disagree with the zero harm part.

    There were arguments made that there was zero harm in providing minimally regulated funding for people to go to school. Now we are calling it a predatory system.
     
  7. Evil Homer

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    Student debt shouldn’t be tied to normal debt if we’re being honest

    we already made it exempt from bankruptcy why does it get both benefits
     
  8. electronic

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    What is the harm/who is harmed in eliminating government held student loan debt tomorrow?
     
  9. ashy larry

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    :praisehim:
     
  10. Gallant Knight

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    Depends on how they pay for it
     
  11. electronic

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    I assume it will come from the same pot as the 3.5 trillion PPP funding. You know, thin air.
     
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  12. Houndster

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    The idea is to prevent future house fires while helping them re-build the one that burned down.
     
  13. Evil Homer

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    you’ve lost the thread
     
  14. Houndster

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    Which means I’ve won, put another on the board for Me!!!
     
  15. Gallant Knight

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    Going to be fun when a hamburger costs $80
     
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  16. tylerdolphin

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    How does that fix the very common situation of:

    1. College is absurdly priced.
    2. No full ride scholarship and parents don't have money.
    3. Need a college degree to pursue their desired career.
     
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  17. Lyrtch

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    ohno the inflation hawks are back
     
  18. electronic

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    5 months after PPP, is this happening?
     
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  19. Lyrtch

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    inflation only happens when we do things for individuals

    when we do things for businesses it doesn't

    its science
     
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  20. tylerdolphin

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    I think if you take a billion dollars from every billionaire and just shred it in front their eyes it evens inflation out.

    I'm not an expert in the field though.
     
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  21. Gallant Knight

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    Someday we will agree on something
     
  22. Lyrtch

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    we agree on a lot

    you might not like it

    but we do
     
  23. Bo Pelinis

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    See the thing is when people get a windfall most don't spend it on dumb shit.
     
  24. Biship

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    Graduate degree (teacher) 15k

    wife graduate degree (social worker) 60!k
     
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  25. ashy larry

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    MILWAUKEE- Asked restaurant host:
    “God did you hear about student loans?”
    Host: “No.”
    Me: “Forgiven. All of them” Thought he would cry.
     
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  26. Name P. Redacted

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    Marbles that sucks man. Med school/medicine is such a high-risk abusive gamble. Always felt bad for the folks who don’t graduate because you’ve spent an obscene amount of time, energy, and money into this skillset that is now largely useless.
     
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  27. Name P. Redacted

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    Houndster did you pay for college by claiming the reward on Princess Fiona?
     
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  28. War Grundle

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    What are the increased tax ramifications of paying off $1.6 trillion debt and giving some type of reparations those who paid off debt in the last 12 years plus those who need it for the next 10 years?

    I’m just curious.
     
  29. Name P. Redacted

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    None. It’s all made up. Congress/president literally just pass a bill and the treasury goes “ok I’ll create this money out of thin air”. Any tax changes are an entirely separate issue.
     
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  30. wes tegg

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    If you're talking about income tax on the individual, the deductions for interest are already capped based off of income, so not that many people will be paying that much more in taxes. The difference will be astronomically lower than what they're paying in loan payments.
     
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  31. Name P. Redacted

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    The deductions are an absolute joke as well. I think it ends up being lowering the tax bill by like a couple hundred bucks, at the most.
     
  32. Why?Pokes

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    The dental accreditation org chokes the number of schools/graduates to a trickle compared to med school. It keeps salaries high, but also jacks the price of tuition to ‘holy fucking shit’ levels.

    Med schools, as expensive as they are, seem to have found a nice sweet spot where they can both provide graduates with good-paying jobs and offer the public care providers. They’re somewhere in between the wild-west shit show of law schools and insanely over-restrictive shit show of dental.
     
  33. Houndster

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    That was at least 6 credit hours worth
     
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  34. Name P. Redacted

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    Lol no Med schools/residencies are not in a sweet spot.
     
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  35. Why?Pokes

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    I took out 10K for grad school, managed the rest through a combination of scholarships, part-time jobs, and family help. Paid it off quickly.
     
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  36. Why?Pokes

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    Compared to law schools, where employment prospects and salaries are incredibly bleak for an enormous number of graduates, or dental schools, where 1/2 a million in tuition loans followed by another 2-3 mil in corporate loans are not uncommon, yeah, it’s a lot better, especially for the well-compensated specialties.
     
  37. Lawnole23

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    Law students are taking out 125k to start out in the 45,000-60,000 range a lot of times. Plus whatever college debt they have.
     
  38. hood b. goode

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  39. Leeroy Jenkins!

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    UGA was free

    100k from Emory


    Do I think they should be forgiven? No.

    Will I be mad if they are? Also No.

    If I got mine refinanced does that mean I'm probably not eligible?
     
  40. Lyrtch

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    you refinanced them with a private entity i assume

    so no

    also, knowing the field you're in, you'd make the likely forgiven amount in ten minutes, it's a rounding error
     
  41. Josey Wales

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    Would be kinda cool if Biden said he’d do this on day 1. Literally, day 1.

    And then the next 4 years people randomly mocked trump for “repeal and replace on day 1” as a failure and Biden as a total success.
     
  42. Leeroy Jenkins!

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  43. gilstein21

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  44. CUAngler

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    i remember paying 20k in loans my first year out and being mega bummed that the interest deduction was like a sack of quarters and a pat on the head.
     
  45. Name P. Redacted

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    Sure, but also we should probably not be using two other broken systems as our framing.
     
  46. Why?Pokes

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    ...I was responding to a post about the relative expense of dental school compared to med school...

    FWIW though, for as broken as the med school tuition model is, it’s still probably a better investment that most graduate programs—not just law or dental.
     
  47. Coach Prison Mike

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    Cancelling student debt isn’t a bad thing. I think the timing isn’t great and it would be much better suited as a 2nd term platform after fixing some of the root issues that caused this problem in the first place. Without starting a process that would make the need for outrageous student loans obsolete, it feels short sighted to do this now, especially in light of what we’re dealing with as a country between politics/race/covid/everything.

    If it’s going to be done now it makes more sense to attach it as part of the second corona virus bill, would need to win both GA seats obviously, as the other side is going to take it a lot better (and may even mostly get over it) if they’re getting checks in their pocket at the same time.
     
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  48. Bruce Bowen

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  49. Lip

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    You’d think so, but addressing the obscene interest rates on federal loans isn’t usually part of most plans being discussed.

    My rates are anywhere from 6-8.5%. It’s theft.