The Kingkiller Chronicles

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  1. Constant

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    They are fantastic books, and Rothfuss is not near as fat and old as GRRM, so a better chance to finish.
     
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  2. billdozer

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    Except Book 3 is just the end of the first part. I believe there's supposed to be 1 or 2 more trilogies in the series.
     
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  3. The Blackfish

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    Yeah like others have said, book 3 is written, Pat just doesn’t like it. He struggles with crippling anxiety and expects perfection from himself
     
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  4. RonBurgundy

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    Oh don’t mind me just requoting this post of mine from 5 fucking years ago.

    he told a story on his podcast that he lost a flash drive at the airport of a finished copy of Doors of Stone... 2015... and was panicking because he didn’t want it leaked to the world before it was done...

    In 2015....
     
  5. billdozer

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    Patrick Rothfuss's editor confirms that, after nine years, she is yet to read a single word of THE DOORS OF STONE
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    In somewhat surprising news, Patrick Rothfuss's editor Betsy Wollheim has reported that she is yet to read any material from his next novel, The Doors of Stone, the third and concluding volume in The Kingkiller Chronicle, and notes a lack of communication on the book's progress.

    Rothfuss shot to fame with the first book in the trilogy, The Name of the Wind, in 2007. With over 10 million sales, The Name of the Wind became one of the biggest-selling debut fantasy novels of the century. The second book, The Wise Man's Fear, did as well on release in 2011. Nine years later, the third book remains unpublished.

    The Doors of Stone is probably the second-most-eagerly-awaited fantasy novel of the moment, behind only George R.R. Martin's The Winds of Winter, which it actually exceeds in waiting time (though only by five months). Martin has provided updates on The Winds of Winter, albeit extremely infrequent ones, but has recently reported much more significant progress being made. Rothfuss, on the other hand, has maintained near constant zero radio silence on the status of book in recent years, despite posting a picture of an apparently semi-complete draft in 2013 that was circulating among his beta readers.

    Reasons for the delay, as with Martin, have been speculated. Rothfuss has reported bouts of ill health, as well as trauma related to family bereavements. Rothfuss was also closely involved in an attempt to launch a multimedia adaptation of his books, which would have involved both a trilogy of films based directly on the novels and a prequel TV series revolving around the parents of his protagonist, Kvothe. However, the TV show was cancelled mid-development at Showtime, apparently due to massive cost overruns on their Halo television series, and a new network has not yet picked up the series. The movies also fell out of active development when director Sam Raimi, who had expressed interest, decided to move forward with a different project. Both projects now appear to be on the backburner at Lionsgate (unsurprisingly, the pandemic has not helped this situation).

    Rothfuss has also been involved in charity work, blogging, video game commentary, spin-off material and contributing writing to other projects, causing comparisons to be drawn with Martin's similar engagement in secondary projects, which some commentators have speculated is the main cause of delays on the books. Without having access to an author's schedule, it is of course impossible to say if this is really the case, only that the perception of it being the case becomes unavoidable if the author in question is refusing to provide concrete updates on their book progress whilst discussing other, unrelated work in multiple public communications. Questions of ethics and obligations on the part of authors to their readers have circulated on this subject for decades, ever since the delays to Harlan Ellison's The Last Dangerous Visions (originally due to be published in 1974, Ellison was allegedly still occasionally promising to publish it at the time of his death in 2018) stretched into the decades, and have been debated ad nauseam online enough to avoid going over them again here, suffice to say that the tolerance for such activities will vary dramatically by reader.

    "This article is right: authors don't owe their readership books, but what about the publishers who paid them? Book publishing is not as lucrative as many other professions, and publishers rely on their strongest sellers to keep their companies (especially small companies like DAW) afloat. When authors don't produce, it basically f***s their publishers...When I delayed the publication of book two, Pat was very open with his fans--they knew what was happening. I've never seen a word of book three."

    Wollheim's statement is surprising, however. Martin has noted being in communication with his editors on numerous occasions, flying to New York to provide in-person updates and apologise for the book's lateness, and periodically submitting completed batches of chapters for them to work on whilst he continues to write new material. In the case of The Kingkiller Chronicle, Wollheim reports not having read a single word of The Doors of Stone in the nine years since The Wise Man's Fear was published, which is mind-boggling. If Rothfuss had a semi-complete draft in 2013 that he was circulating to friends and early readers, the question arises why he didn't also share this draft with his publishers. Furthermore, if the book's non-appearance since 2013 indicates considerable problems with this draft (as would appear inevitable), it would also appear to be common sense to share that draft with his publishers to see if they agree. It's not uncommon for authors to believe their latest novel is poor and a disaster and threaten to delete it and having to be talked off the ledge by their editors, since they've been working so closely on the material that they've lost all objectivity.

    Normally, of course, authors only share completed manuscripts (at least in first draft) with their editor, but when the author in question is a decade behind schedule and one of the biggest-selling authors in the publishers' stable, that normally changes to having much more regular feedback.

    Although she notes the impact a long-missing manuscript can have on the margins of a small publisher like DAW, Wollheim notes no ill feeling towards Rothfuss and she continues to be proud of him and the work they've done in the first two volumes:

    "If I get a draft of book three by surprise some time, I will be extraordinarily happy...joyous, actually, and will read it immediately with gusto. I love Pat's writing. I will instantly feel forgiving and lucky. Lucky to be his editor and publisher."
     
  6. Gritty Badger

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    It’s never ever happening, that editor is so pissed
     
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  7. ned's head

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    It's a shame. The first two books were fantastic
     
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  8. MORBO!

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    Cliffs?
     
  9. RonBurgundy

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    If he didn't care he'd release the book as is (because people would buy it to see how the story finishes), but continues to rework it because he feels like he owes it to his fans who tell him how much his books mean to them.
     
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  10. Gritty Badger

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    ITS NEVER GOING TO BE PUBLISHED
     
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  12. billdozer

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    I look forward to reading it on my deathbed.
     
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  16. RonBurgundy

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    I literally had all 3 of these reactions when I read the headline.
     
  17. Gonff

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    So he’s been planning a trilogy for going on 30 years and has just now decided he needs another book?
     
  18. The Blackfish

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    Maybe not trying to fit everything into one more book will help him finish

    it won’t
     
  19. ned's head

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    I watched both clips and interpreted him to mean there would be more stories in the same world, as opposed to more in this particular story. Maybe he's hoping for separate stories like what joe abercrombie has done?
     
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  20. Name P. Redacted

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    Read the books many years ago. Just finished the audiobooks (narrator did a great job). Still so bummed Doors of stone hasn’t been released because I so enjoy this story and Rothfuss’ writing/characters.
     
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  21. Quailman

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    Currently about halfway through The Name of the Wind. The world building in this book is so fucking cool
     
  22. MORBO!

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    Oh no, honey.
     
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  23. Truman

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    Savor it while you can
     
  24. The Blackfish

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    I’m 2/3s of my way through the trilogy, great so far!
     
  25. billdozer

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    It's now supposedly 4 books. He's a George Martin clone, so

     
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  26. JohnLocke

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    I get bummed every time I see this thread bumped
     
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    same. triggers me very single time. Even though I know better I'm always like... is there a chance?
     
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  30. JohnCalvinTM

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    Wouldn't it be great, though, if true?
     
  31. The Blackfish

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    Well yeah but so would me falling face first into a million dollars
     
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  32. JohnCalvinTM

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    Lol. True.

    Glad thread is still going. Havent posted in years but looking for book and remembered this thread.
     
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  33. Manny

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  34. MORBO!

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    lmao what a fuck you that is
     
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    I am #triggered
     
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  36. RonBurgundy

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    I just want to read the book not understand it ok
     
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  37. Truman

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    If you havent read any of those in 6 years because you can’t finish a book, it’s like reading them for the first time.

    Checkmate, Pat
     
  38. Detlef Schrempf

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    I read the first two books on my honeymoon thinking, awesome these came out a few years ago, shouldn’t have to wait long for the conclusion.

    I got married six years ago.
     
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  39. Gritty Badger

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    reading the prologue from book 3 for his fundraiser today
     
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  40. MORBO!

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    So we know he has at least finished the prologue
     
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  41. Constant

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    No. Reading it will make him realize that it still needs tweaking.
     
  42. MORBO!

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    Of course. I shouldn’t make such broad assumptions.
     
  43. Gritty Badger

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    bingo

    said the cadence wasn't right in a few spots

    lmbo
     
  44. Gin Buckets

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    Pat is currently streaming on Twitch rn.

     
  45. billdozer

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    Lin-Manuel Miranda no longer involved with adaptation of Patrick Rothfuss's KINGKILLER CHRONICLE series
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    Actor, writer and singer-songwriter Lin-Manuel Miranda has confirmed he is no longer attached to the long-gestating attempt to bring Patrick Rothfuss's Kingkiller Chronicle to the screen.

    Interest in the property began back in 2007, when The Name of the Wind was published to a rapturous reception and very high sales. It intensified in 2011, when the sequel The Wise Man's Fear was published.

    In 2015, Rothfuss reached a wide-ranging and high-value deal with production company Lionsgate that included a feature film trilogy based directly on the novels, as well as a TV show which would act as a prequel and focus on Kvothe's parents. The following year it was confirmed that Miranda, the nuclear-hot creator of hit stage musical Hamilton, was working on the project as a songwriter for both the films and the TV series, whilst Lindsey Beer was working on the script for the first movie, based on The Name of the Wind.

    In 2017, things really got moving when Showtime optioned the TV series rights, attaching John Rogers (Leverage, The Librarians) to write, produce and showrun. In 2018 Sam Raimi entered talks to direct the first film. A few months later, in 2019, John Rogers confirmed he had written all ten scripts for Season 1 of the show, which was entering pre-production. Things looked like they were going very well.

    Then things collapsed, pretty quickly. In September 2019 Showtime abruptly halted all work on the Kingkiller TV series and returned the rights to Lionsgate. By that time it was clear that Raimi had passed on the movie project, and subsequently opted to direct Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness instead. The rumour in Hollywood was that Showtime has massively over-committed to its ambitious Halo TV series, spending much more than originally planned, and had to quickly divest itself of several other expensive shows, even ones that had been greenlit, in order not to have a huge budget overrun. Ironically, Halo was moved from Showtime to Paramount+ and the financial issues sorted out behind the scenes, meaning that possibly the Kingkiller project could have moved forwards after all. However, the project seemed to go cold.

    In November 2020, Lin-Manuel Miranda confirmed he was still working on the IP, but the plan to adapt the (gigantic) novels as single movies had now been abandoned and the project was being reconceptualised as a TV show based directly on the novels. Miranda cited his work on the HBO/BBC co-production His Dark Materials (based on Philip Pullman's novels) as giving him a "fresh perspective" on the complexities of adapting a fantasy trilogy for the screen.

    Miranda's departure from the project seems to be down to two reasons. First, his own workload is through the roof. He is currently enjoying huge success from his work on the Disney animated movie Encanto, including his first-ever Number One single for "We Don't Talk About Bruno." His 2021 film Tick, Tick...Boom! has also enjoyed significant critical and commercial success. Secondly, it sounds like he had not found a way of adapting the books' structure satisfyingly, noting that it has an "insane Russian nesting doll structure," a reference to its multiple timelines.

    An unspoken fly in the ointment is that the third novel in the trilogy, The Doors of Stone, remains incomplete after eleven years. Rothfuss's editor confirmed in 2020 that she had not yet read a single word of the book and did not believe any work had been done on it since 2016. Rothfuss has since spoken more openly about progress on the book, and read its prologue for the first time last year. However, no release date has been set.

    Given the immense success of the series - reportedly well over 10 million and possibly closer to 20 million copies of the two books have been sold to date, easily making them the most successful debut epic fantasy series this century - it is likely an adaptation will eventually happen. However, it will not be in the near future and it will not be with Lin-Manuel Miranda's involvement.
     
  46. Constant

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    Source link? I want to forward to someone.
     
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  48. JohnLocke

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    Some guy made these in depth summary videos of Name of the Wind and it is absolutely fantastic



     
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  49. Name P. Redacted

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    Good hate read of ole Pat to dull the pain of never knowing how the story will end.

     
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