Clemson would be left behind pretty quick. We don't have nearly the alumni base the rest of the big football schools do.
The ones you do have do a good enough job already. Clemson will be fine. Just won’t be as easy to poach Florida anymore.
That idea works if everyone is the same financially. Not every school has the means to actually pay athletes and if you bring in non-revenue sports (basically anything outside of football/Men’s bball), baby you got a stew going. See all of the schools that have had to drop sports due to budgetary reasons from Covid.
It wouldn’t be under the table anymore and nobody said they were going to stop. Just more teams will be able to get in on it and even the playing field.
The only sports at most schools, even the big ones, that would have the financial solvency to allow for paid players are football and men’s basketball. One of the unintended side effects of a payment system is that you’re likely going to cull a decent chunk of the support the non-revenue sports currently receive in the form of new equipment, facilities, trainers, etc.
Minor league sports to watch young top prospects, college sports to watch people getting degrees that happen to have a little athletic ability
So just to play devils advocate who is making the kids play. The schools provide opportunities for the players to promote themselves and train to become professionals. If they want to be paid or benefit from their likeness they can go ahead and turn pro. The NCAA isn’t blocking people from moving on the professional leagues are. Money generated by the athletes are funneled back into the athletic department where they benefit the students and the other non revenue generating sports.
If all scholarship athletes have to receive the same amount of money the bags aren’t going to stop also not sure if I could possibly care less if Arkansas has to cut the tennis program or something
Title ix is such a flawed piece of legislation how they didn’t carve out an exception for football is insane. oh one sport requires like 8x more scholarships as all other sports but let’s treat it the same Insane
The whole reason why sports like that have scholarships at schools like Arkansas is so that the big men’s sports don’t have to reduce their own to fit with Title IX. Title IX killed wrestling at a number of programs because they literally had no other sports to provide scholarships for, and it reduced the amount of baseball scholarships some schools could provide.
If players have to be paid it’s possible the only men’s scholarships given out at most power 5 schools will be in football basketball and maybe baseball
The school is only providing the players the ability to craft their skills so they can capitalize on said skills. And a players promotion, wether by the school or themselves, only benefits the school for the majority of the time. At the very minimum, a player should be able to earn money on their own name and likeness. If a player wants to sign autographs for cash, let him or her do it.
Exactly; that was the point I was trying to make. Paying football players is going to probably cripple almost any other varsity sport at the school. This should be a given; in fact, royalties for something like NCAA Football video games are the ideal solution for providing extra income for players without draining money from ADs that would normally go to non-revenue sports.
Right and that’s why I said I don’t care if the tennis program disappears I think we are on the same page
im continually confused how non revenue sports existed before the last decade and a half of exploding cfb revenues based on some of the arguments people make
We are mostly, but I like the fact that kids from non-revenue sports can get free educations. Some of them are just like the football kids, the first from their families to go to college, and that opportunity would be unavailable to them without scholarships provided by football money.
I don't want to cut any programs. The older I get the more I get into the niche sports at my alma mater. Fun to follow
so we’re talking about a couple million at most? Auburn just started on a $92 million football facility that has a flight simulator in it.
But you have to have to have 109.7 women’s sports scholarships to have those three sports. Title IX ain’t changing with this. Football isn’t going to become exempt.
Right so there will be 110 women’s scholarships and football basketball and baseball that’s the outcome
If the school didn’t provide the platform for the athletes to be promoted they wouldn’t have a likeness to benefit from. Here is the equation as I see it for what the school and the athlete provide. School: education + facilities + coaching + training + promotion of likeness = talent + time + academic commitment + generating revenue + potential risk of injury + use of likeness The schools provide the ability to build the players brand. They get to set the rules as far as how and when the players will be compensated. If a player believes they can benefit from their likeness or their services are worth compensation beyond what the school provides then they can move on to professional sports. The reality most of these kids skills don’t hold a lot of value outside of their college team. The schools should be allowed to provide whatever compensation they wish. It is up to the athletes to decide if they want to play for it. It isn’t the NCAA or their members fault that the NFL won’t allow them to enter the league until after their junior year.
The tv contracts are in the billions, with a B. Just given that, how can you see not cutting in the performers who make it possible?
Right now schools/NCAA have set that to $0 despite said players making the schools/NCAA millions of dollars every year
So the poor schools lose their men’s Olympic sports like men’s water polo and men’s volleyball. I’m fine with that. There will still be dozens of schools with those niche sports just like there’s dozens of schools with obscure sports like Rifle already that are just Olympic factories.
Cornelius Suttree top 5 NCAA Rifle programs right now, and who would you rank as the best marksman in the country at 179 lbs?
It is rather baffling. And yet Clemson had men's and women's swimming and diving into the 2000's and before that in the long long ago had wrestling. Sure travel and tuition costs increased, but they weren't giving athletes full scholarships in Olympic sports anyway.
How come Clemson is cutting some programs while they just added softball, which they didn't have for like ever
Amherst Williams Bowdoin Kenyon Vassar Etc Seem to have found a formula to sponsor a shit load of Olympic sports for years without compromising their educational mission in the process
I'd also like to hear some of these same folks explain why institutions of higher education have sports teams. Like, what is their purpose?
like if you did away with amateurism and just treated college football like a minor league system (which I don't know if he knows this but is basically the case Rusty Shackleford is making) what would say Trevor Lawrence have gotten offered out of HS, 500k a year? a million? in reality draft rights will be gobbled up at 18 for the top end kids like baseball if we tore a lot of this structure down