Call her preferred name and pronoun but it can get confusing/difficult when you start talking about the gender division where she competed.
Thanks for asking Gallant Knight i didn’t know the proper etiquette either and glad you got to be the one who got the condescending lesson for the rest of us. I will hereby shame anyone with similar questions in the future
Do you have a problem with calling Ali or Kareem what they want to be called? While simplistic in essence it’s the same thing.
I’m not a trans person so I can’t speak for them but I think you kind of have to try to gauge the intent rather than the result in those conversations.
If it's just some casual tournament who cares Golf sucks anyway. Goofy pants and fat asses and whatnot
Religion change not just “name change” out of the whim. And it’s different for the individuals undergoing the transition not for you. You have zero to do with the change. So like I said extremely simplistic and I am dumbing it way down for you but in essence it’s the the same thing. Why should it matter to you or me what they want to be called.
A lot of people would care if someone lived their entire life as a female and wanted to play from the female tees then go for it if that same person wanted to limit what other females could do then I would raise hell
I said society is trying to figure it out and you’re making me out to be some intolerant bigot chill the fuck out
I think anyone calling Elliot Page “Ellen” is being an ass. I think anyone that does that does not do it for any other reason than contempt. It’s the new “his momma name him Cassius so I’m gonna call him Cassius” shit.
society isn’t. Bigots are trying to pretend there is something to figure out. I am not attempting to paint you out to be something you’re not. I am simply trying to explain why it isn’t difficult to figure out what to do and say.
if someone wants to be called whatever name, whatever pronouns, i'll do my best and from every experience i've ever had in my life people respect the attempt even if you fuck up occasionally not to minimize it but its similar to trying to learn and use basic foreign language phrases when you're in a different country try and be respectful, ez
It actually can be hard to figure out w the different genders and labels. There's plenty of mistakes people make in good faith trying to figure it out. While none of this is new, the increasingly overall acceptance by society is, and there is some learning curve. As long is it's not done to be an asshole, a little grace and explanation goes a long way
I also want my contempt for having to read anything vaguely Kardashian related to be noted in the record
Nah I think the correct response is to be a condescending dick so that no one wants to interact with you
Caitlyn Marie Jenner (born William Bruce Jenner, October 28, 1949) is an American socialite, television presenter, and retired Olympic gold medal-winning decathlete. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caitlyn_Jenner Is what I was referencing
Who was the poster who wasn’t sure how their coworker identified and got real weird about it? Like, they contemplated waiting to see what bathroom they used or something?
At Daniel, electro etc al There is going to be a learning curve and I have my woke children to help me work through a bunch of this stuff. For me it it mostly Trans nomenclature and use of plural pronouns. Bang on me all you want. I think for someone who watched the Montreal Olympics and cheered on the winner of the decathlon as a young kid, I'm doing pretty good. If you want to revoke my woke purity card, fine. I'm not going to turn into Talking head or learn to play the tuba
riner maybe our singularly weirdest poster (who I think mostly does these things in bad faith, but maybe he's just simple i dunno)
I remember a gender neutral pronouns coming up in discussion class with a trans woman in the class. Internal monologue: “Well, this is fraught. You better not so much as fucking move, chuckmasterflex.”
learning about gender neutral languages is something that made me wish english was one so i'd never have to hear this discussion again
All I said was “misgendering her isn’t great,” and then said I’d talk about it in the other thread if anybody wanted to discuss further!
Calling Caitlin "Bruce" is 100% misgendering her. There are many reasons and ways to attack her without going this route
I’m mostly talking about when you know the preferred gender and name of the individual. This started because Prospector called Jenner “Bruce” no way you can tell he wasn’t trying to be a dick and it was simply an honest mistake. Before anyone flies of the handle and says I am calling him anything, I’m not I’m simply talking about that one post.
Damn I just thought about it and Caitlin really is the most high profile trans person out there. I can't think of anyone else.
argument is that she was always a she. She just couldn’t live her true self. But now we know who she is and what her name is. Since we know that we can refer to her as such.
Elliot Page wasn't Elliot Page in Juno but I'd still say "Elliot Page did great in the movie Juno." Out of respect for that person because that is how he'd like to be known.