**The New ACC Thread: True Love Only ITT**

Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by WC, Aug 29, 2019.

  1. WC

    WC Bad Company, ‘til the day I die.
    Donor TMB OG
    North Carolina State WolfpackAtlanta BravesCarolina PanthersCarolina HurricanesUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    The arms race is different now than it was when we added Louisville. Back then it was just about adding decent athletic departments to survive. If the Big 12 folds or is reduced to Conference USA lite I’m not sure there’s as much pressure to expand just for expansions sake.

    But what do I know? We are pretty limited in our options so long as nobody tries to bolt the ACC.
     
    #2801 WC, Jul 24, 2021
    Last edited: Jul 24, 2021
    clemsontyger04 likes this.
  2. Saul Shabazz

    Saul Shabazz We Breachin
    TMB OG

    giphy (2).gif

    .....leading the 'backy road exodus
     
  3. hawk217

    hawk217 Well-Known Member
    Clemson TigersKansas JayhawksKansas City RoyalsKansas City Chiefs

    The regular season Clemson/ND rated higher than any regular season or conference championship game. If we could convince ND to play 3 more ACC games we could go to a division less conference. It would allow more flexibility with conference scheduling and ND would have four games to use on their priority OOC matchups. I don’t envy Phillips right now, his job depends on bringing ND on as a full member.
     
    LetItSoak and clemsontyger04 like this.
  4. HoosDaMan

    HoosDaMan Grumpy
    Virginia CavaliersDallas CowboysTiger WoodsLos Angeles Angels of AnaheimUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    If we cut the deal with the PAC12 and added Navy/Georgetown as 16 hybrid, ND gets to keep USC as their cross conference opponent and Navy as their divisional opponent. We obviously need to kiss their asses to make this work.
     
    nolecpa likes this.
  5. HoosDaMan

    HoosDaMan Grumpy
    Virginia CavaliersDallas CowboysTiger WoodsLos Angeles Angels of AnaheimUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    Think of the PAC12 as the AFC and the ACC as the NFC in this scenario
     
  6. theregionsitter

    theregionsitter Well-Known Member
    TMB OG
    Notre Dame Fighting IrishChicago White SoxIndianapolis ColtsColumbus Blue JacketsColumbus Crew

    ACC isnt cutting a deal with the PAC, if the PAC does a deal it will be the B1G. The schools and leagues are close
     
  7. WC

    WC Bad Company, ‘til the day I die.
    Donor TMB OG
    North Carolina State WolfpackAtlanta BravesCarolina PanthersCarolina HurricanesUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    Some other options to consider that I’ve seen discussed throughout the ether:

    -Unequal revenue sharing to keep the schools that actually try to win happy
    -Downsizing conference size so that the included schools get more cash. Would losing Wake, Duke or BC football really hurt negotiating power that much?
    —requiring a minimum investment in football spending per year or over 5 years


    I say all this knowing NC State is one of the schools that spends the least on football and would likely be in danger if any of those things were truly considered.
     
    #2807 WC, Jul 26, 2021
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2021
    LetItSoak likes this.
  8. Tobias

    Tobias dan “the man qb1” jones fan account
    Donor
    North Carolina TarheelsAtlanta BravesCharlotte HornetsNew York GiantsManchester CityNational LeagueBarAndGrill

    wake duke and bc have no business being in the conference. i don’t think legally you can kick them out but the problems are solved fairly easily with those anchors gone.
     
  9. WC

    WC Bad Company, ‘til the day I die.
    Donor TMB OG
    North Carolina State WolfpackAtlanta BravesCarolina PanthersCarolina HurricanesUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    Or this from our lord and savior Jay Bilas


     
  10. xec

    xec Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida State SeminolesUtah UtesReal Salt LakeLas Vegas Golden KnightsPorto

    Then he’s screwed…
     
    lazy bum likes this.
  11. clemsonvianj

    clemsonvianj Well-Known Member
    Donor

    Wake has won the ACC championship in football more recently than a lot of schools though :idk:
     
    Fran Tarkenton likes this.
  12. xec

    xec Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida State SeminolesUtah UtesReal Salt LakeLas Vegas Golden KnightsPorto

    Of all the things I can imagine, the ACC kicking out any North Carolina school isn’t one of them. The conference will dissolve first.
     
    clemsontyger04 likes this.
  13. WC

    WC Bad Company, ‘til the day I die.
    Donor TMB OG
    North Carolina State WolfpackAtlanta BravesCarolina PanthersCarolina HurricanesUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    Unfortunately for them all that matters now is how much will ESPN or Fox pay a conference. If Wake doesn’t add to negotiating power, what’s the point of their existence in the ACC?

    It’s gross to consider but all this realignment is forcing that reality.
     
  14. Tobias

    Tobias dan “the man qb1” jones fan account
    Donor
    North Carolina TarheelsAtlanta BravesCharlotte HornetsNew York GiantsManchester CityNational LeagueBarAndGrill

    not really relevant in the current landscape or moving forward. they add nothing at all to the conference that the other nc schools don’t offer tenfold
     
    clemsonvianj likes this.
  15. Tobias

    Tobias dan “the man qb1” jones fan account
    Donor
    North Carolina TarheelsAtlanta BravesCharlotte HornetsNew York GiantsManchester CityNational LeagueBarAndGrill

    it won’t happen. unc leadership is too stubborn and loyal to support something like that and without them on board, the rest of the conference isn’t gonna kick out other nc schools nor will the state legislature let it happen anyways

    they should tho!
     
    clemsonvianj likes this.
  16. clemsonvianj

    clemsonvianj Well-Known Member
    Donor

    relevant to trolling though, which some would say is more important
     
  17. WC

    WC Bad Company, ‘til the day I die.
    Donor TMB OG
    North Carolina State WolfpackAtlanta BravesCarolina PanthersCarolina HurricanesUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    I genuinely wonder if Texas/OU was a real option in 2012. Legit people say they reached out and the ACC didn’t go for it.
     
    xec likes this.
  18. xec

    xec Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida State SeminolesUtah UtesReal Salt LakeLas Vegas Golden KnightsPorto

    My impression at the time was that neither the ACC nor UT would budge on the Longhorn Network issue and it died on the vine.
     
    WC likes this.
  19. WC

    WC Bad Company, ‘til the day I die.
    Donor TMB OG
    North Carolina State WolfpackAtlanta BravesCarolina PanthersCarolina HurricanesUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    Also think Swofford fucked up adding TV markets and “academics” over football programs in 2004 and 2012. Louisville and WVU should have been in the first wave of expansion, along with Miami and VT, and maybe our ESPN contract would be a little fatter these days.
     
    killerwvu likes this.
  20. WC

    WC Bad Company, ‘til the day I die.
    Donor TMB OG
    North Carolina State WolfpackAtlanta BravesCarolina PanthersCarolina HurricanesUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

  21. xec

    xec Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida State SeminolesUtah UtesReal Salt LakeLas Vegas Golden KnightsPorto

    What’s interesting about that is the conference was against adding VT. There was a threatened lawsuit that forced them to accept VT (I don’t know the details of said lawsuit). But at the time every conference was keenly interested in adding TV markets. I don’t think there was a soul in a position of power who predicted the media related impacts that have happened.
     
  22. clemsontyger04

    clemsontyger04 Two offensive coordinators are better than one
    Donor TMB OG
    Clemson TigersAtlanta BravesCharlotte HornetsCarolina PanthersCarolina HurricanesChelseaTiger WoodsCollege Football PlayoffNational LeagueGame of ThronesUnited States Men's National Soccer TeamBarAndGrillOlympics

    Getting ND to commit till 2036 was good but it really makes you think A. They wont join B. The conference is willing to be patient and not expand.
     
  23. LetItSoak

    LetItSoak Well-Known Member
    Donor

    Not sure what the answer is but getting close to $30M less per year than the SEC and B1G would make competing at the highest level extraordinarily tough. Standing still isn't going to get it done
     
  24. -Prime-

    -Prime- Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Miami HurricanesTennessee Titans

    Can we kick out Wake and BC?
     
    Saul Shabazz likes this.
  25. Shiggityshwo

    Shiggityshwo Well-Known Member
    Donor TMB OG
    North Carolina TarheelsAtlanta BravesAtlanta UnitedUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    we're all on that wonderful journey called slow death until teams are able to scurry off to one of the inevitable sec/b1g super conferences
     
  26. Shiggityshwo

    Shiggityshwo Well-Known Member
    Donor TMB OG
    North Carolina TarheelsAtlanta BravesAtlanta UnitedUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    at least we've still got that wacky coastal though
     
    clemsonvianj, clemsontyger04 and WC like this.
  27. WC

    WC Bad Company, ‘til the day I die.
    Donor TMB OG
    North Carolina State WolfpackAtlanta BravesCarolina PanthersCarolina HurricanesUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    We can if we all believe in it, together!

    There are dozens of us!
     
    Russellin4885 and clemsontyger04 like this.
  28. Sir Phobos

    Sir Phobos Knight of Mars, Beater of Ass.
    Donor TMB OG
    Virginia Tech HokiesWashington NationalsLos Angeles LakersWashington Football TeamWashington CapitalsBayern Munich

    that's not really true at all, the conference was heavily in favor of VT. expansion is advanced by 3/4 of the conference voting in the affirmative, VT had 6 schools yes (Clemson, GT, FSU, Wake, NCSU, Maryland) and 3 no (Duke, UNC, UVA). the lawsuits were filed by every Big East school against the ACC because the ACC was trying to tear the Big East apart and those schools weren't going to let the ACC do it for free. the initial trio, because Swofford's brain was without wrinkles, was Miami/BC/Cuse. eventually information was leaked that the only thing keeping VT out was UVA and the governor of Virginia brought the Hoos to their knees and forced them to fall in line and they bent immediately and voted VT in and told Cuse to fuck off. VT rescinded the lawsuit at this point, NCSU came in last minute to veto BC, and that's why 2004 worked out like it did and why BC joined a year later after another vote.

    all of that happened because FSU, GT, UVA, and Clemson were pissing their pants worried about being under Tobacco Road's thumb and thought if they could get some good football schools to join (which again, smoothbrain Swofford went for BC and Cuse here) then Tobacco Road wouldn't have as much influence. knowing what we know about how essentially every ACC football program looked for the next decade makes the whole thing really fucking funny.
     
    #2828 Sir Phobos, Jul 26, 2021
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2021
  29. Shiggityshwo

    Shiggityshwo Well-Known Member
    Donor TMB OG
    North Carolina TarheelsAtlanta BravesAtlanta UnitedUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    so they have done something right

    weebey.gif
     
    WC likes this.
  30. JPWahoo

    JPWahoo Some Flies are too Awesome for the Wall
    Donor
    Virginia CavaliersBaltimore OriolesSan Antonio SpursDetroit LionsTottenham Hotspur

    lol this is complete bullshit - the only reason VT entered the conversation was because of Mark Warner and John Casteen wanting VT in the conference, they weren't anyone's choice over Syracuse and being held back by UVA. Once Warner and Casteen convinced/forced/pushed the UVA BOV to take a VT-or-no-expansion vote, UVA got exactly what it asked for because Duke/UNC were voting against any expansion scenario (and three "no"s were enough to kill any plan). UVA and Warner forced the other schools to swap VT in, it's not like they were they were the initial selection but UVA was the roadblock.
     
  31. Sir Phobos

    Sir Phobos Knight of Mars, Beater of Ass.
    Donor TMB OG
    Virginia Tech HokiesWashington NationalsLos Angeles LakersWashington Football TeamWashington CapitalsBayern Munich

    let's clarify: I said they weren't the initial pick but when VT was brought up as an option, those aforementioned six schools were fine with it and only UVA, Duke, and UNC stood against with UVA ultimately capitulating. also, UNC was not against all expansion but Miami had to be a part of it, Duke was pretty much alone in camp "no changes". nobody actually gave a shit about Cuse being in there, only Swofford and his lust for new TV markets (NYC college football market is a huge one, obviously, as noted by the millions that have always watched Cuse football because there's nothing else to do Saturdays in NYC). UVA didn't want VT in the ACC at all because, well, exactly what happened for all but one of the years since VT's joined the ACC.
     
  32. allothersnsused

    allothersnsused Wow that’s crazy
    Donor
    Virginia CavaliersAtlanta BravesAtlanta HawksWashington Football TeamChelsea

    I think we should call Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State and invite them to be a part of our conference. Let them say no. Can't hurt to ask.
     
  33. allothersnsused

    allothersnsused Wow that’s crazy
    Donor
    Virginia CavaliersAtlanta BravesAtlanta HawksWashington Football TeamChelsea

    To be clear, Notre Dame would also be invited if they delivered an essay of no less than 500 words explaining why what they did was wrong.
     
  34. JPWahoo

    JPWahoo Some Flies are too Awesome for the Wall
    Donor
    Virginia CavaliersBaltimore OriolesSan Antonio SpursDetroit LionsTottenham Hotspur

    sure, but my point was it wasn't like the ACC wanted VT more than the others and UVA was standing in the way. the UVA president and some of the board were always for the idea and actively worked to convince (with the governor) the rest of the BOV to come around on the idea.

    The AD and obviously most fans were against it, though of course
     
  35. JPWahoo

    JPWahoo Some Flies are too Awesome for the Wall
    Donor
    Virginia CavaliersBaltimore OriolesSan Antonio SpursDetroit LionsTottenham Hotspur

    also we probably lose 14 straight or whatever it was regardless I mean Mike London cmon
     
  36. Sir Phobos

    Sir Phobos Knight of Mars, Beater of Ass.
    Donor TMB OG
    Virginia Tech HokiesWashington NationalsLos Angeles LakersWashington Football TeamWashington CapitalsBayern Munich

    nobody really cared who else came beyond Miami, I was just ultimately responding to that post that was "VT was never wanted and used a lawsuit to mysteriously turn the tide of opinion" when the reality was that most of the conference was fine with VT.

    which again, given how Miami football went post-2003 the whole expansion thing was hilarious. it was an obvious inevitability and if the ACC hadn't started to act then they'd have been even further behind the 8-ball down the line but man, hedging your conference's future on Miami vs FSU in perpetuity was hilarious.

    yes but we actively have stopped you from winning the Coastal and potentially the ACC several times, that was what you'd have avoided.
     
    JPWahoo likes this.
  37. WC

    WC Bad Company, ‘til the day I die.
    Donor TMB OG
    North Carolina State WolfpackAtlanta BravesCarolina PanthersCarolina HurricanesUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    It is wild to think about telling someone in 2003 that Miami would join the ACC but they would have fewer ACC titles than Wake Forest over the next 18 years.
     
  38. HOOSINSC

    HOOSINSC You're with me leather
    Donor

    i think something that is very critical and not discussed often enough about the past expansion is.... fuck maryland. they can rot in hell.
     
  39. Shiggityshwo

    Shiggityshwo Well-Known Member
    Donor TMB OG
    North Carolina TarheelsAtlanta BravesAtlanta UnitedUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    I vividly remember running into an acquaintance who was a Miami fan shortly after beating them in '04 and how violently angry he got in an instant at my lighthearted jab

    don't even remember the guy's name, but I've thought about how he'd be handling their downfall often over the years
     
  40. WC

    WC Bad Company, ‘til the day I die.
    Donor TMB OG
    North Carolina State WolfpackAtlanta BravesCarolina PanthersCarolina HurricanesUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    I can’t wait for their smugness when they cast the deciding vote on whatever beggar school from the tatters of the ACC comes crawling to the B1G.
     
  41. Nole96SC

    Nole96SC Old Member
    Donor TMB OG
    Florida State SeminolesSneakers

    Danny iirc.
     
    Shiggityshwo likes this.
  42. skiedfrillet

    skiedfrillet It's not a lie if you believe it.
    Donor
    Clemson Tigers

    Did Miami really crumble or is it just a matter of them playing tougher competition every week vs in the big East?

    I’m not saying that’s the reason but many well informed and well endowed people are saying it
     
    clemsontyger04 and HOOSINSC like this.
  43. Sir Phobos

    Sir Phobos Knight of Mars, Beater of Ass.
    Donor TMB OG
    Virginia Tech HokiesWashington NationalsLos Angeles LakersWashington Football TeamWashington CapitalsBayern Munich

    I mean, the Big East was in or around the ACC's equal for the 00s, there was no huge bump in competition. the only school doing anything at that point in the ACC was FSU and Miami played them every year anyway and FSU took a dive like a year after the expansion happened anyway. VT was the clear #2 program in the Big East from nearly the time they joined to when they left so Miami didn't get to duck out on them either.

    imo Miami tanked primarily because of bad hires. Larry Coker was a bad coach. the physical manifestation of a shart could have coached the '01 team to a national title but all the positive things that came from that era, Coker did nothing to build off of them and eventually Miami ended up with talent and no coaching which then led to no talent and no coaching (in as much as Miami can have no talent relative to being able to throw a rock and hit a 4* in their recruiting area) with Shannon and Golden.

    I'm sure other things behind the scenes caught up to Miami and contributed to the downfall but they've just had dogshit holding the whistle for about twenty years and that's enough to sink any program.

    e: also, Miami wasn't immediately terrible. VT had a really good run at the time and they were in the same division. If VT wasn't in the ACC then Miami outright wins the ACC in 2004 (VT/Miami game at season's end was the de-facto title game) and they win the Coastal in 2005 and 2010. FSU beat them in 2005 and 2010 but the '05 game was damn close and Miami could have won in a rematch. Less likely in 2010, however.
     
    #2843 Sir Phobos, Jul 26, 2021
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2021
  44. skiedfrillet

    skiedfrillet It's not a lie if you believe it.
    Donor
    Clemson Tigers

    That’s a lot of words to say “sir, that’s a great point you’re right.”
     
  45. fuxstockings

    fuxstockings Wayne Tinkle and the Beavers
    Donor
    Florida State SeminolesAtlanta Braves

    [​IMG]

    It’s been a pleasure, gentlemen.

    Except it hasn’t. See you all in hell.
     
  46. mtsucalico85

    mtsucalico85 Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Miami HurricanesMinnesota Golden GophersMinnesota TimberwolvesMinnesota VikingsMinnesota WildUnited States Men's National Soccer TeamMinnesota Twins

    Just as wild - Miami currently has more ACC basketball titles than ACC football titles.
     
  47. -Prime-

    -Prime- Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Miami HurricanesTennessee Titans

    I decided that we should kick Wake and BC and add Baylor and TCU. As long as it’s okay with our ND overlords.

    Syracuse is on the bubble. We can replace them with Navy if ND wishes
     
    BigReff73 likes this.
  48. Thoros of Beer

    Thoros of Beer Academy Award-Winning Actor, Tim Allen
    Donor

  49. Sir Phobos

    Sir Phobos Knight of Mars, Beater of Ass.
    Donor TMB OG
    Virginia Tech HokiesWashington NationalsLos Angeles LakersWashington Football TeamWashington CapitalsBayern Munich

    fuck Baylor, let 'em rot.
     
  50. Tangman

    Tangman Well-Known Member
    Donor
    North Carolina State WolfpackCharlotte HornetsWashington Football TeamEvertonBook Club

    Preseason All ACC dropped

     
    Shiggityshwo and WC like this.