OFFICIAL NBA THREAD

All we do is build up tension all offseason

 

Should I do a NCHusker post and complain about how Alex English was snubbed from the 75 team just to hit all our bases

 

Simmons should switch agents after this mess

 

That's like tiny baby stuff. If you were really firing on all cylinders you'd tell us about how Earl Boykins was

 

Sixers need to just trade him. Morey is not going to get what he wants for him. No amount of grandstanding is gonna change that. Just cut your losses and move on

 

Guy was incredible at Eastern Michigan.

 

I'm pretty busy today so the thread is getting like 12% victim complex Nuggets fan

 

so uh

 

congrats suns fans and ayton

 

FROM GOAT NBA ANALYST ERIC:

NBA 75 Anniversary Team

I looked at everyone's rank in regular season WS/48 and playoffs WS/48, taking into account only NBA minutes, so George Mikan can take his NBL MVP and shovel it. There ended up being 173 players in the top 250 of each, ranging from Michael Jordan at #1 and #1 allllll the way down to Brian Grant at #243 and #242.

61 players on the NBA 75th Anniversary Team were on both lists, and another
8 were on at least one, and another
1 was Bill Walton, who did win an MVP and Finals MVP before career curtailing injuries that wound up holding him below the MP thresholds for each list.

This leaves six (sic) players as the most egregious inclusions. We'll get to them in a second.

Of the 35 players to win at least one MVP award, two did not make the team.
Nikola Jokic is a big cute baby and will probably make the NBA 100th Anniversary Team.
Derrick Rose is on neither top 250 list, has a total of one (1) All-NBA Team selection, is the worst MVP selection of all time and probably won't even make the Hall of Fame, but at least punishing LeBron James so explicitly ensured there would never be another free agency superteam.



Of the 32 players to win at least one Finals MVP award, a whopping seven did not make the team, and three were on both top 250 lists:

#169 of 173 I can probably stop here but Andre Iguodala never made a single All-NBA Team and only made one All-Star Game, as a backup. Time for his candidacy to back up on outta here too.

#49 Cedric Maxwell (obviously) has the stats but (incredibly) has 0 awards beyond his Finals MVP - no All-NBA, no All-Star, no All-Rookie, not even a pity All-Defensive Second Team.

But the biggest snub of the team goes to #29 Chauncey Billups, who managed five All-Stars and three All-NBAs to go along with his Finals MVP. It's fair to say he never got All-NBA First Team, but neither did Sinister Six member and erstwhile teammate Carmelo Anthony. Melo OUT, Mr. Big Shot IN.



The other four Finals MVPs don't have great cases: Dennis Johnson is the only one with an (singular) All-NBA First Team but isn't in either top 250, Joe Dumars, Tony Parker, and Jo Jo White have All- credentials similar to Billups but dramatically worse stats. We'll certainly keep them in mind for promotions but none of them are obvious shoe-ins.

Speaking of obvious shoe-ins, 25 of the 26 players with five or more All-NBA First Teams are on the team, and 33 of the 34 players with eight or more All-NBA Teams total are on the team, and it's the same guy missing from both, Dwight Howard. Meanwhile there's a great defensive center on the team with a crisp zero All-NBA Teams, but he does have five All-Defensive Teams. That's cool, so does Dwight. Well this guy on the team has two All-Defensive First Teams. That's cute, Dwight has four. So Nate Thurmond can man his chair for a while because Superman is IN.



Speaking of zero All-NBA Teams, Lenny Wilkens come on down! Wilkens does sport a prestigious All-Star MVP, nine All-Stars, and above league average stats (incredibly this will not be true of all members of the Sinister Six), but when Original Bird George Yardley has elite stats (#32) and an All-NBA First, it's time for Lenny to pick up the clipboard - bald guy OUT, bald guy IN! But a different bald guy!

The last three Sinistrals are Dave Bing, Dave DeBusschere, and Pete Maravich. Bing has just barely above league average stats in the regular season (ring a ding, Bing), two All-NBA Firsts, seven All-Stars, and an All-Star MVP - he's clearly the best of the bunch. Maravich is below average in both the regular season and the playoffs but he's got two All-NBA Firsts too. DeBusschere has below league average stats, only one All-NBA Team, and it's a Second - catch the bus, cherie.



But who's coming in? There's no "slam" dunk answer.
Adrian Dantley has the best stats left at #27 (since every one of the top 26 stats is on the team, 26 for 26), he has two All-NBA Seconds and six All-Stars, but he's kind of a pill.
Bob Davies, Neil Johnston, and 5.0 Suns great Max "Slats" Zasflosky each have four All-NBA Firsts, but they're all goofy white guys from the 50s.
And we've still got those four Finals MVPs from before.

But for my money the best bets are first Amar'e Stoudemire: his #51 stats six All-Stars five All-NBAs with a First is a compelling resume on its own, and if we're giving Walton the injury benefit of the doubt it only seems fair to factor it in for Stoudemire too. Then Tracy McGrady has seven total All-NBAs (only one besides Dwight of seven+ not to make it) and solid stats at #96, and if we're holding losing in the first round like a hundred times against him we ought to hold it against known losers Maravich and Bing too.

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Bottom line for me, listed in descending confidence:

Carmelo Anthony OUT, Chauncey Billups IN
Nate Thurmond OUT, Dwight Howard IN
Lenny Wilkens OUT, George Yardley IN
Dave Debusschere OUT, Amar'e Stoudemire IN
Pete Maravich OUT, Tracy McGrady IN
Dave Bing OUT, Joe Dumars IN

These six definitely belong the least. There could be more deserving removals and replacements, but as I hope this exercise showed the resumes get surprisingly thin out at the edge.

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APPENDIX A - full list of players on both top 250 lists

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Code:

agg    rs    po    name
1    1    1    Michael Jordan
2    6    3    LeBron James
3    3    8    Wilt Chamberlain
4    2    9    David Robinson
5    9    5    Magic Johnson
6    11    4    Kawhi Leonard
7    12    9    Kevin Durant
8    5    16    Chris Paul
9    15    7    Jerry West
10    7    16    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
11    13    15    Charles Barkley
12    17    13    Tim Duncan
13    8    24    James Harden
14    21    12    Stephen Curry
15    19    23    Shaquille O'Neal
16    33    11    Giannis Antetokounmpo
17    29    19    Dolph Schayes
18    27    21    Dirk Nowitzki
19    20    28    Oscar Robertson
20    28    29    Bill Russell
21    23    35    Larry Bird
22    34    25    Paul Arizin
23    16    47    Bob Pettit
24    50    14    Walt Frazier
25    18    46    John Stockton
26    49    20    Hakeem Olajuwon
27    31    38    Adrian Dantley
28    39    33    Kevin McHale
29    52    22    Chauncey Billups
30    42    32    Bill Sharman
31    30    44    Manu Ginóbili
32    43    33    George Yardley
33    51    26    Reggie Miller
34    44    36    Moses Malone
35    35    49    Sam Jones
36    26    58    Jimmy Butler
37    54    31    Bob Lanier
38    58    42    Dwight Howard
39    37    66    Kevin Garnett
40    22    81    Karl Malone
41    53    51    Bobby Jones
42    68    37    Cliff Hagan
43    66    40    Kyrie Irving
44    91    18    Frank Ramsey
45    69    40    Don Nelson
46    61    48    Vern Mikkelsen
47    60    49    Kobe Bryant
48    45    65    Julius Erving
49    78    39    Cedric Maxwell
50    64    55    Pau Gasol
51    63    59    Amar'e Stoudemire
52    71    53    Dwyane Wade
53    48    77    Dan Issel
54    59    69    Larry Nance
55    73    62    Marques Johnson
56    83    63    Brad Daugherty
57    77    73    Chris Bosh
58    62    91    Kevin Love
59    56    97    DeAndre Jordan
60    86    68    Rick Barry
61    67    87    Alonzo Mourning
62    84    71    Willis Reed
63    97    60    Dikembe Mutombo
64    72    87    Blake Griffin
65    46    114    Clyde Lovellette
66    92    70    Jeff Hornacek
67    40    123    Bailey Howell
68    57    107    Clyde Drexler
69    75    90    George Gervin
70    88    83    Tyson Chandler
71    65    107    Chet Walker
72    127    52    Horace Grant
73    70    110    Steve Nash
74    14    166    Otis Thorpe
75    108    75    Ray Allen
76    131    54    Shawn Kemp
77    110    78    Terry Porter
78    32    157    Sidney Moncrief
79    76    117    Joakim Noah
80    95    99    Larry Foust
81    153    45    Ben Wallace
82    85    120    Al Horford
83    99    109    Zelmo Beaty
84    123    86    Anderson Varejão
85    112    97    Tom Heinsohn
86    117    93    Bill Laimbeer
87    47    164    Kevin Johnson
88    118    94    Steven Adams
89    146    67    Marcin Gortat
90    81    132    Paul Pierce
91    133    81    Scottie Pippen
92    41    177    Damian Lillard
93    143    76    Marc Gasol
94    122    106    Elgin Baylor
95    188    43    Brook Lopez
96    98    135    Tracy McGrady
97    115    119    Patrick Ewing
98    96    142    Paul George
99    90    148    Robert Parish
100    74    168    Walt Bellamy
101    174    72    Hersey Hawkins
102    94    153    Russell Westbrook
103    172    79    Clifford Ray
104    125    128    Eddie Jones
105    199    56    Draymond Green
106    142    116    Maurice Cheeks
107    149    111    Serge Ibaka
108    124    136    Wes Unseld
109    173    102    John Havlicek
110    116    161    Dennis Rodman
111    89    190    Kyle Lowry
112    217    64    Gus Williams
113    154    127    Steve Kerr
114    157    126    Steve Smith
115    189    95    Bob Dandridge
116    162    124    Zydrunas Ilgauskas
117    160    130    Doc Rivers
118    141    149    George Hill
119    158    133    Rasheed Wallace
120    203    91    Toni Kukoč
121    114    180    Shawn Marion
122    106    189    Bob McAdoo
123    195    104    James Worthy
124    87    212    Paul Westphal
125    152    152    Dave Cowens
126    79    225    Mark Price
127    177    129    Mike Conley
128    148    158    David West
129    228    80    Anfernee Hardaway
130    105    203    Paul Millsap
131    121    192    Kiki Vandeweghe
132    150    170    Dale Davis
133    218    103    Kerry Kittles
134    156    171    Nenê Hilário
135    93    236    LaMarcus Aldridge
136    144    186    Mehmet Okur
137    169    171    Marcus Camby
138    220    121    Alex English
139    200    142    Darryl Dawkins
140    134    208    Jack Sikma
141    193    154    Larry Johnson
142    209    140    Walter Davis
143    128    221    Peja Stojaković
144    135    215    Calvin Natt
145    168    187    Vlade Divac
146    161    194    Bob Cousy
147    207    150    Taj Gibson
148    182    176    Jason Kidd
149    213    146    P.J. Brown
150    196    163    Vince Carter
151    126    237    Jerry Lucas
152    233    131    Fred Brown
153    204    162    Deron Williams
154    190    177    A.C. Green
155    119    248    Gary Payton
156    140    232    Brent Barry
157    194    180    Rashard Lewis
158    201    175    Terry Cummings
159    164    215    Sam Perkins
160    163    219    Anthony Mason
161    191    199    Lou Hudson
162    175    222    Buck Williams
163    247    156    B.J. Armstrong
164    165    249    Happy Hairston
165    184    233    Calvin Murphy
166    222    197    Allen Iverson
167    227    200    Earl Monroe
168    232    204    Dan Majerle
169    244    193    Andre Iguodala
170    197    243    Alvan Adams
171    223    231    Mario Elie
172    240    220    Tom Sanders
173    243    242    Brian Grant

APPENDIX B - list of 75th Anniversary Team members by aggregate rank out of 173, followed by one-listers in alphabetical order and Bill Walton

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Code:

rank    name
1    Michael Jordan
2    Lebron James
3    Wilt Chamberlain
4    David Robinson
5    Magic Johnson
6    Kawhi Leonard
7    Kevin Durant
8    Chris Paul
9    Jerry West
10    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
11    Charles Barkley
12    Tim Duncan
13    James Harden
14    Stephen Curry
15    Shaquille O'Neal
16    Giannis Antetokounmpo
17    Dolph Schayes
18    Dirk Nowitzki
19    Oscar Robertson
20    Bill Russell
21    Larry Bird
22    Paul Arizin
23    Bob Pettit
24    Walt Frazier
25    John Stockton
26    Hakeem Olajuwon
28    Kevin Mchale
30    Bill Sharman
33    Reggie Miller
34    Moses Malone
35    Sam Jones
39    Kevin Garnett
40    Karl Malone
47    Kobe Bryant
48    Julius Erving
52    Dwyane Wade
60    Rick Barry
62    Willis Reed
68    Clyde Drexler
69    George Gervin
73    Steve Nash
75    Ray Allen
90    Paul Pierce
91    Scottie Pippen
92    Damian Lillard
94    Elgin Baylor
97    Patrick Ewing
99    Robert Parish
102    Russell Westbrook
108    Wes Unseld
109    John Havlicek
110    Dennis Rodman
122    Bob Mcadoo
123    James Worthy
125    Dave Cowens
146    Bob Cousy
148    Jason Kidd
151    Jerry Lucas
155    Gary Payton
166    Allen Iverson
167    Earl Monroe

Anthony Davis
Billy Cunningham
Dominique Wilkins
Elvin Hayes
George Mikan
Hal Greer
Isiah Thomas
Tiny Archibald

Bill Walton

APPENDIX C - list of remaining top 60 ranks with selected career credentials

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Code:

as    3    2    1    asmvp    mvp    fmvp    rank    name
6        2                    27    Adrian Dantley
5    2    1                1    29    Chauncey Billups
2    2                        31    Manu Ginóbili
6        1    1                32    George Yardley
5    4                        36    Jimmy Butler
8                1            37    Bob Lanier
8    2    1    5                38    Dwight Howard
4                            41    Bobby Jones
5        2                    42    Cliff Hagan
7    2    1        1            43    Kyrie Irving
0                            44    Frank Ramsey
0                            45    Don Nelson
6        4                    46    Vern Mikkelsen
0                        1    49    Cedric Maxwell
6    2    2                    50    Pau Gasol
6        4    1                51    Amar'e Stoudemire
1                            53    Dan Issel
3                            54    Larry Nance
5        2    1                55    Marques Johnson
5    1                        56    Brad Daugherty
11        1                    57    Chris Bosh
5        2                    58    Kevin Love
1    2        1                59    DeAndre Jordan

 

this thread title is wrong

 

*cancel culture strikes again*

 

All of those descriptors about Sarver are the least shocking things ever.

 

Goddamn, he's still got his fastball

 

thread title not accurate

Dump prematurely sending sarver off

 

gonna need to see a packet detailing this jordan schultz characters twitter metrics before i can determine the veracity of this news

 

He doesn’t have them, but Woj does.

 

What happens quicker? Dump removed as thread owner or Simmons leaving Philly

 

I can assure you dump will not be running this thread in 4 years

 

Dump removed as thread owner or Sarver removed as Suns owner is the better question

 

Having an environment that harbors all of those things is horrifying but not shocking.

This will be the only way to get him away and the sooner trash like him are booted the better.

 

If they’re putting out that kind of statement then shuts about to get ugly.

 

did the clippers release statements in support of sterling when that leaked?

 

Jesus we are terrible

 

Damn. Rooting for a competent franchise doesn’t have all this compelling drama!

 

Im surprised to see Jericho Sims getting this much run

 

Bagley for Simmons who wins

 

Our of curiosity who do we think is writing this ESPN piece?

 

Also Ricky Rubio looking like Robin Williams from jumanji.

 

After how Lowe looked today on NBA Today, he seems to look like he was on an all nighter