Personal take is you either steer into capitalism and make the best of it, or steer into socialism and make the best of that. SF's issue is that it's just as schizophrenic as the guy wearing a CVS bag as a diaper yelling at strangers while breaking into cars down in Union Square.
I feel like this is the case for every major city in the United States. Every major city is in desperate need of big time government investment to address crucial issues such as housing, public transportation, education and so on, but unfortunately those major cities are confined by policies and restrictions set at the state and federal level.
I'm sure it happens everywhere to a degree, but I haven't seen shit go down like in SF since maybe 80s/90s NYC as a kid. It's straight up dystopia at this point. Extreme wealth inequality (capitalism) combined with this weird idea that shit like shoplifting isn't a crime (I don't know what to call it?), combined with a level of nimby-ism around housing that just kind of somehow exacerbates both. I was out there for 3 or 4 months right before shutdown (late 2019). Lots of petty crime and broken glass and that sort of thing, but I think my favorite memory was watching a guy in a wheelchair shit himself, reach back and grab it and then wipe it all over his frontal body in the midst of a giant crowd that gave absolutely zero fucks about whatever he was doing. It's like the homelessness and mental illness that comes with it are so far down the list at this point that its just accepted.
Except for 100% of their political leaders calling themselves progressives and/or socialists, sure. Why they're failing is a different conversation than if they're failing. They are failing. If it's the states fault, or the fed's fault, then why should other cities expect different results when considering similar policies? Especially when you compare/contrast the booms taking place in cities like Miami and Austin. Liberals should be more pissed off about SF than anyone, frankly. The narrative is going to hurt candidates all over the country.
it took half a second looking at the board of supervisors (where most the power in the city resides) and every single member is a hardcore NIMBY zero call themselves socialists and maybe two claim to be progressives (despite being nimby's, and one of the claimed progressives vocally opposes yimby's)
You have to be extremely wealthy to have a place to live in San Francisco. That's not a byproduct of socialism or progressivism.
i get that Chesa is the hot topic for republicans (like rulethirty ), but you're going to see every criminal justice reform official get this same coordinated attacks from lock em up liberals and conservatives. you saw it attempted with Krasner in Philly but theres not the huge amount of gilded liberals there that SF has. i really doubt we see criminal justice reform in this country at any real level because the interests in opposing it have almost unchecked power (cops, police unions, etc) and endless streams of money
that plus Virginia’s elections convincing everyone that the prime target of this kind of campaigning, suburban women, are the current swing demographic
Explain to me what about SF is socialist. Your claim was that pure capitalism would be better but that the problem in SF was that it was some mixture of the two. Explain that please
I always assumed any debt forgiveness was only going to apply to government held loans. Forgiving public loans just means signing an order but private loans would likely mean the government has to payout to the debt holders.
What exactly is confusing here I still don't know how why or for what purpose nor will I. Please respect my decision at this time
i can’t believe that anyone who follows politics even a little bit doesn’t know what it means and it’s origin. It’s been discussed countless times itt and in the trump thread.
Biden is going to backed into forgiveness and a significant portion of the country is going to flip out when they realize their loans don't qualify.
Most student loans — about 92%, according to a July 2021 report by MeasureOne, an academic data firm — are owned by the U.S. Department of Education. Total federal student loan borrowers: 43.4 million. Total outstanding federal student loan debt: $1.61 trillion Total private student loan debt Private student loans make up 7.89% of the total outstanding U.S. student loans, according to MeasureOne. Total outstanding private student loan debt: $136.31 billion. Total Parent PLUS loan debt Parents have one federal student loan option to help pay for their children's education: parent PLUS loans. Total parent PLUS debt: $103.6 billion Total parent PLUS borrowers: 3.6 million borrowers
It is wildly inaccurate. 1) I’m not deep into the student loan market, but I can’t recall hearing anything about repackaging lower quality tranches into a security to get AAA ratings like occurred in the mortgage market. “XYZ is like 2007” is a common claim by people that are trying to scare people. It isn’t a real argument. 2) The derivatives market he is claiming is in the range of a quadrillion dollars isn’t the student ABS market. I believe that’s a market of all derivatives exposure of all products. 3) The FFELP loans are originated by private companies, backed by the government, and sold as ABSs. 4) Navient has been telling investors for a while that student loan forgiveness would be a positive for them because loans below book value would be paid down at par. Like any large shift in policy, there will be winners and losers, but at this point investors are well aware of the “risk” of their loans being paid back immediately. 5) In no scenario is it feasible the government forgives the loans and doesn’t pay back investors or create a situation where the government needs to continue issuing debt at similar levels to existing annual college tuition levels. The banks will make their money on that transition.
Sure. Elected socialist politicians -- which SF has at the city level -- can't enact socialist policies because they live in a capitalist system at both the state and federal levels. So you end up with debate and inaction or at best half baked policies that stop short. It's a rather pointless exercise that's done nothing for the city, as evidenced by its decent into a modern day dystopian hell scape filled with grotesque inequality. That's on one extreme. On the other extreme would be maybe what's taking place in Miami right now. The city's been completely transformed over the last few decades and resembles absolutely nothing that I remember in my youth (in a positive way). It happens to be densely republican (the city, not so much the county) and is growing more so. I don't particularly think the right or left aspect matters as much as the ability to actually make decisions and move forward with them. Miami can basically do whatever they want in Florida right now. SF can't seem to get out of its own way. The popular narrative in the next major election cycle won't be that nuanced, though. It'd be distilled into right vs left rabble rousing, and SF's failure is for sure a negative on the whole for the left. Miami will be spun as a positive for the right.
I check this and the trump thread maybe once every 2 months and try to actively avoid sources that obsess/discuss conservative brain rot.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/upshot/2020-election-map.html the city of miami doesn't appear to be remotely densely republican
City of miami is metal for being on track to go under water and not voting to impede that from happening.
you can tell where people get their information from when they craft narratives that aren't remotely based in truth
It's under republican leadership with a dynamic mayor who is likely a future Presidential candidate. GOP maga idiots are moving there by the thousands from all over the country. I'd go ahead and prepare yourself for it. It's weird, but its happening.
Miami is younger city.. I mean UM isn't even 100 years old. Of course it would have changed over the past 30 years. Also remember when the city/county of Miami who have a longstanding reputation of being corrupt hired a new police chief who had a reputation for cleaning up some seedy aspects from police forces under his command? And then someone in the police department leaked a memo from him like four months into his tenure saying the force was run by the 'cuban mafia'. And then its city leaders used this as pretext for getting rid of him so he couldn't clean up said organization.
Jesus christ. Easy, tiger. The point I was trying to make wasn't so much vote totals but local control, narrative and migration as contrasted with San Francisco which is seen as completely falling apart by people on both the right and left. Miami is a major city thriving under Republican leadership. That's a fact. And whether or not their Mayor runs as a presidential candidate isn't exactly up to either of us. I've personally seen him in action and it's very clear he's got the same sort of magnetic presence anyone else I've ever encountered that's run has had. He'll be a layup to follow DeSantis as Governor and it's pretty clear he's got the ambition.
let the capital exploitation take a few decades in miami as it's currently headed and we'll see where it ends up
Sure. And you can argue the point then. But right now, Miami is thriving and SF is not and that will 100% be the narrative. It's not up to either of us.
i think just shrugging your shoulders at "the narrative" is just doing a favor for the GOP media apparatus, especially when it's based on a lot of falsehoods
It’s hard to quit the GOP when you’ve spent your entire life taking everything they say at face value.
Narrative is everything. 2022 is going to be a total fucking blood bath in favor of the GOP, with inflation as the primary driver.
lol at this absolutely apples to apples comparison going on (the left doesn't even "claim" san francisco to begin with) This is a narrative by and for shitbrain conservatives and doesn't matter to people with worldview that isn't dogshit hth
How are we supposed to take anything you post seriously when you clearly don't care about saying factually accurate shit
I'm a pretty arrogant person, generally. But I feel like it takes a special level of deranged arrogance to just make shit up on the fly when you're having a conversation. Like "I have no knowledge of the truth of this, but I'm just going to say it anyway." Fucking wild