*Now the Official Jobs Thread* by popular demand

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  1. CoastalOrange

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    Why not? Asking from a place of wanting to understand, not a smartass, rhetorical place.
     
  2. Tiger Tiger Woods Y'all

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  3. Shawn Hunter

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    Yeah basically if the employer isn't health care related, it legally doesn't fall under HIPPA. Exception being if it's a company/third party representative that is specifically required to be HIPPA compliant.

    Though I would say it violated the spirit of HIPPA, but that's legally meaningless.
     
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  4. Sportfan

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    Currently waiting to hear about an offer which would legitimately be my dream job. So nerve wracking and I thought I blew the last interview but apparently I was just overthinking it. Refreshing my inbox about 30x and hour.

    Idk what I’ll do if I don’t land this. I’m so done with my current spot but have put all my eggs in this basket in January.
     
  5. dukebuckeye

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    Good luck, dude!
     
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  6. Baseballman86

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    Happy in my new gig but randomly got a bite from a recruiter for a gig at Meta. A couple years ago I would've jumped at that and I'm dreaming over what the salary could be, but it just feels a little wrong. Like going to work at Philip Morris or something? No offense if anybody here currently works there.
     
  7. momux

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    FWIW, I have heard they are having to pay up significantly for talent to overcome the exact objection you are describing.
     
  8. Baseballman86

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    I'm not surprised. At the bottom of the email the recruiter literally included a list of "positive things" the company was doing globally and said he's happy to talk about FB in general as well. I'm guessing he routinely gets some negative responses
     
  9. racer

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    I’m just venting - really need to get out of my current job as it’s actually taking a noticeable toll on my mental health for a variety of reasons. Most of the problem is that I repeatedly told my managers that most of what I’m doing is not anywhere near what I’m good at or comfortable with, I’m in it for the 20% that I’m good at, which is the technical/specialty stuff. The 80% is fluffy e-mails, tracking, and repetitive admin stuff.
    My boss just called and told me sorry but the new Salesforce platform is delayed and we have another year of status quo, which was clear a year ago I wasn’t really ok with, but it was the temporary step necessary for me to continue to have a future there.
    Anyway after repeating cycles for the ntheenth time I just need to go, but I don’t have any serious job leads, and I make a good amount that is hard to match in my current market without finding something super specialized.
    I’ve been upset and angry with a job before and left. I’ve never just felt helpless before.
    Anyway, I just needed a vent.
     
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  10. harvey birdman

    harvey birdman Ha ha! Last laugh.
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    Congrats on becoming the new coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars.
     
  11. fattus

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    Just start checking out what’s around but don’t give yourself any kind of timeline. That has helped me endure a shitty job in the past. Just knowing that I could even possibly find something. The key for me was not putting a timetable on it.

    P.S.
    Hope the new Salesforce release is better than lightning LOL
     
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  12. racer

    racer Yuma, where I work in software.
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    Supposed to be a version of FSC but I can’t imagine I’ll be sticking around to find out.
     
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  13. Sportfan

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    So I got my offer but I am freaked out about my background check. I have a short stint I don’t include on my resume but I made my recruiter aware of during the process, supplying him with a full CV including this job once we got to the offer stage.

    Of course I submitted it as part of the background check since it asks for a full and complete work history. My recruiter (internal) has been kinda meh and idk if he truly ever loaded the new CV into the system. He said he did but I cannot see it on my applicant page. On top of this I realized I got the start month of a previous job wrong because the company started me a day early (last day of the previous month) to make sure I could elect benefits.

    Not sure what to do, should I send some clarification to the HR coordinator about both? This is both the job of my dreams and a chance to get the fuck out of my current situation. I’ve slept like shit and been a mess the past two nights since I thought an offer was coming.

    Any thoughts?
     
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  14. Pasta88

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    My first thought after reading that is that you’re overreacting. First off they may never even realize the two things you’re worried about. Even if they do, the first thing doesn’t seem to be a big deal, given you’ve provided the recruiter with your complete job history. The second surely can’t be an issue; we’re talking a few days difference in listed start date vs. actual start date?

    Put it this way, if they rescinded an offer over those two things I probably wouldn’t want to work there anyway*

    *assuming this is a normal enough corporate job and not some crazy FBI esque job where they’re required to spend hours upon hours combing through every aspect of your life as a background check.
     
  15. Sportfan

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    Everyone I know tells me I’m freaking out for no reason. I just hope they allow me to explain and they don’t just go “nope this doesn’t match you’re done”. I agree if they do that you’re likely right it wouldn’t speak highly of them as a company.

    It’s a sales role at a major vendor in my space.
     
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  16. Uncle Tupelo

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    I've been searching for a new position since the start of the year, and I've been interviewing for the last week or so. Last Thursday, I received a contingent offer from a company based on a government contract that should be awarded in the next 40-60 days. It's a good offer (similar benefits, 20% pay increase), although there is no WFH at this position, which would be a big downgrade. I told them I would have an answer for them after the weekend.

    However, last Friday I sat down to interview for another position, which would be my #1 choice if I were to get it. They told me they would like to do a follow up interview this week. How should I handle this? Should I just let the company know I might need another week to make my decision, or accept the contingent offer and keep looking? I don't want to burn any bridges with this other company by accepting an offer and then backing out, but I'm afraid of the offer getting pulled if I wait to long to give an answer.
     
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  17. Sportfan

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    how long will company B take to get you through their process? I’d be really upfront with the 2nd place and tell them you have an offer in hand you aren’t willing to risk, and see what’s left for you to do.

    For Company A it’s perfectly fine to accept and start the background/reference process, especially if that takes a week+. I’d never stop looking until you’re in the door there, especially if the second company is that much better.
     
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  18. Oranjello

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    Tell the first job the truth. Before you made your decision, another interview opportunity arose and you think it may be a good fit, so before you commit to the first job you need a bit more time to figure out where the process may go with the second job, which seems reasonable since your offer with the first place is contingent on a gov’t contract. IME being forthright and truthful can be more difficult at times but often results in fewest burnt bridges
     
  19. Uncle Tupelo

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    Thanks guys. Yeah, I would like to be truthful with company A, I'm just concerned they may not hold the offer long enough to go through the process with company B. Just by internet sleuthing, it sounds like Company B's hiring process is slow, but once you are on, its a great place to work.

    I guess I would hope a company would understand if you backed out of an accepted contingent offer to take an offer with a concrete start date, but the community who does the kind of work I am in this kind of work is somewhat small, so I don't want to burn bridges.
     
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  20. Sportfan

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    Can you find out company b’s process today?
     
  21. Uncle Tupelo

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    That's my hope. I've sent out an email this morning to the person who reached out to me on Friday to schedule the next interview, basically saying "I have an offer in hand, so the sooner we talk the better". and sent her times today for a phone call.
     
  22. dukebuckeye

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    Speaking from 11 years in the recruiting space, this is not something you should stress about. You disclosed the information to the recruiter and I assure you no one will care if you messed up an employment date...that happens frequently.

    Someone mentioned it above, if you get an offer pulled because of either of those two things, then you probably wouldn't have wanted to work at that company anyway.
     
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  23. Sportfan

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    My background “cleared” yesterday with all fields being “Meets company standards”. Really hoping today we finalize my start date and I can submit my notice tomorrow. Always on edge until it’s a done deal but ooh boy do I want this job.
     
  24. dukebuckeye

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    Congrats dude!
     
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  25. CUgator

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    Out of curiosity, what's the industry/role?
     
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  26. Sportfan

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    Strategic Account Executive for a cyber security company.
     
  27. Where Eagles Dare

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    Anyone have experience going from a PM outside of the tech industry to inside a tech company? My wife is in a leadership position as a project manager for a smaller manufacturing company, but it's almost all the same processes. I work in a tech field, and see the non-technical PMs we have and a lot of companies have and it's basically the same process with different jargon. Also the work life balance would be superior.
     
  28. WillySaliba

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    From a process standpoint she will be fine. Within IT, the hardest part is identification of the gotchas. This happens a lot, because most people she’ll be working with think they know what they are doing, but she’ll quickly find out there’s usually only one or two people who know. Beyond that, keep an agenda and stick to it. Take solid notes and push out minutes for everything. It will help her learn the space.
     
  29. lfriend

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    Honestly, how thick of skin does she have?
     
  30. Where Eagles Dare

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    She can hold her own.
     
  31. lfriend

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    That's good because it could be a rough transition.

    My org hires a lot of non-technical PMs to manage technical products and they face a lot of animosity in result.
     
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  32. Where Eagles Dare

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    That's weird. I'd say most of the PMs we have at our company are non-technical. Just just know agile/safe/etc
     
  33. Goose

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    I work as a PM in a highly technical role. If she’s competent and it’s not a dud of a company that will train her right she’ll be fine

    I have literally been faking it for 5+ years now. I have business degrees

    That being said, our failure rate for people coming in from outside industries is high. What does “tech” mean?
     
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  34. Where Eagles Dare

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    Tech Companies. Meta, Google, etc
     
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  35. lfriend

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    It's a weird thing. IT is just weird.
     
  36. Zack Zedalis

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    So damned awful
     
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  37. Marty Kaan

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    Depends on the style project management the IT org is running. Is it hybrid, team based agile, SAFe or waterfall? I see the most issues with those trying to transition from traditional waterfall based pm work to a SAFe based org.
     
  38. Where Eagles Dare

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    Idk this is hypothetical.

    I've told her to look into SAFE. Seems easy enough and it's what most of the PMs in my consulting firm have or going towards
     
  39. Marty Kaan

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    so she would be looking at becoming an RTE?
     
  40. Uncle Tupelo

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    Just following up on this. Company B has an all day interview with a presentation component that wouldn't be till next week at the earliest. Ugh.
     
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  41. Sportfan

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    how much better is A than your current spot?
     
  42. Where Eagles Dare

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    Aren't there still PMs in Safe or are they just the opposite non technical side of ARTs ans scum leaders? Idk. She could be an RTE. She's was a PM/Sr PM and now director of a group.

    Just trying to find some other opportunities she could transition into ifnshe get to a point of looking.
     
  43. lfriend

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    All day? Fuck that.
     
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  44. Sportfan

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    Always amazing to me how companies haven’t adjusted their hiring practices and will go all “herp derp tight labor market”. No motherfuckers this isn’t four years ago you aren’t in demand, we are.
     
  45. Uncle Tupelo

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    I'd say its better in most ways. My current job gives me a lot of flexibility and work-life balance with a good amount of time off, but career-wise it feels like a bit of a dead end. Pay is also lower than average in my field. This new position at Company A would be a 25% pay bump with a chance to expand my current skills. Seems less flexible and has a bit less vacation time though (No WFH, due to the nature of the work).

    Company B is a pretty prestigious company I never thought I'd have a chance to work for, that generally seems like an excellent place to work. Will likely provide a balance between flexibility and WFH ability of my current position, and pay bump+career development of Company B.
     
  46. Marty Kaan

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    Product Owners, Release Train Engineers, Scrum Masters.

    If she is a director--becoming a scrum master is a huge step down imo.

    I went down the SAFe rabbit hole a few years back and got my SAFe consultant cert but I haven't practiced it in a while.
     
  47. Uncle Tupelo

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    My current job had an all day interview I had to travel to in 2018. Was so fucking draining and unnecessary.
     
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  48. Uncle Tupelo

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    This company is likely considered a "dream position" for alot of people. They probably don't feel like they need to adjust their practices. I think its dumb and unnecessary.
     
  49. Marty Kaan

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    FWIW A lot of the higher end consulting firms require multiple interviews + a business case / presentation
     
  50. Gotch Yarbrough

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    I don't think high-end consulting firms loving the smell of their own farts was ever in question.
     
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