Official Ukraine Thread: Putin On The Fritz

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  1. IV

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    For what we spend on defense, it makes sense
     
  2. Aaron Hernandez

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    If it’s the belief that we have a “secret icbm defense” that’s causing so many people to be so cavalier about nuclear war then we need to get over that real quick because it isn’t true.
     
  3. chuckmasterflex

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    General Bricktop would just genocide you if are too fucking tedious. We've never had a race neutral genocide before. I'll need to read up on the pros and cons but I'm intrigued.
     
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    I just know I’ll die immediately if it comes to nukes. If I’m dead, I’m dead and I won’t be around to give a fuck so what’s the point in worrying about it?
     
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    This is a good thing. You’re not a psychopath.
     
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  8. Aaron Hernandez

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    I can’t tell if this is a genuine post or sarcastic.
     
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  9. NDJOECA

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    The idea that we have a secret missile defense system that Donald didn’t immediately expose for political gain is absurd.
     
  10. bro

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    Wonder if that’s just Russia figuring a new way to go about this
     
  11. joe-

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    nice of him to do it in his ukraine colored jersey
     
  12. kennypowers

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    Well “defense” covers a wide swath.

    Our DoD budget is way too high, obviously, but there are so many culprits. The whole system is just too far gone to repair if I’m being pessimistic about it. It’s awful to experience first hand.

    MDA commands one of the larger budgets in DoD. I’m also biased because a lot of my career has been focused on MDA projects. They spend a ton of money, and are not immune to the budgetary criticisms by any stretch…but the problems they are trying to solve are fucking HARD. People shit on EKV’s flight test record, but most don’t understand the insanity of detecting, tracking, and intercepting an ICBM. The ranges and velocities would not even be comprehensible to many.

    Hypersonic defense is next. The Glide Phase Interceptor program is underway and I think will come under even more scrutiny than the new ICBM interceptor (Next Generation Interceptor). Both multi billion dollar programs running concurrently
     
  13. SmoochieWallace

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    Don’t sleep on the Mosin-Nagant. That gun fucks.
     
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    Likely resupplying front lines imo
     
  15. chuckmasterflex

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    The Mosin is one of the few guns I've shot at the range. I actually hit the target with the Mosin 3/5 times. It does have some kick. Bruised my shoulder pretty good. My friend had just bought an AR-15 type and he was into that.

    I just found it all very loud. I don't rate shooting ranges or have any interest in ever firing a gun ideally.
     
  16. AptosDuck

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    25 years ago they could be had for less than $100. I bought an Enfield No.4 Mk1 instead (for $89)
     
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  20. Wicket

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    Holy crap, just noticed the worst part of i guess you can call it racism on my own side. I had cnn on mute for some ukraine coverage and there was a young woman in a headscarf being interviewed. It took me a full 5 seconds before i figured out it was a journalist doing her job. Was going over my head why a chechan woman or a bosnian could be interesting to interview before it even occured to me. Shame on me
     
  21. PeterGriffin

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    This guy feels some type of way about the war.
     
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    Judging from a lot of the videos I've seen it's probably because there isn't much of a body left to recover once it takes a direct hit from an ATGM
     
  23. Simon Templar

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    I’m not sure on that. I have a buddy that works for a defense contractor and sends me videos and pics of this shit in use all the time. We’ve used this in highly populated areas to take out high level targets like the video said in Syria and other areas. Sometimes we just have the intel of they’re in this car or whatever and it takes the car out in the middle of a street. The pics are absolutely devastating and pretty gory.
     
  24. Simon Templar

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    Quick Google of the aftermath of a Syrian use. It’s amazing how precise and limited in collateral damage.
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    Switchblades are uhh terrifying
     
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  26. Imurhuckleberry

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    You could get them for $100 ~5 years ago but then they became the cheap gun to buy and now they’re not so cheap
     
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  28. WillySaliba

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    It’s because whose your Vladdy isn’t reporting deaths to his people. Start shipping back thousands of dead bodies and questions start being asked.
     
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  29. Wicket

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    that guy looked way too much like muschamp for me to unsee that
     
  30. leroi

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  31. shaolin5

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    Damn that brought up some really good points.
     
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  32. Tigers

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    This is from early in the war but just now available
     
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  33. Tigers

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    Spetsnaz are Russia's most elite soldiers and these are losses from only one unit.

     
  34. Tigers

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  36. Wicket

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    I think his assumption that Russia is actively looking to engage against NATO countries is pushing it a bit but his overall premise that you dont want a country with nukes to outright lose a war is fair. At some point its even worth considering doing a regime change in the Ukraine where you actually flip to an even more pro-western regime if the russians are keeping up underperforming so that the Russians can spin that as a win, which is tougher to do with the exact same face there
     
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  37. El Tiburon

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    Not necessarily. They could have just put that information on page 3 or beyond in his briefing reports and he never got that far.
     
  38. Tigers

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    Russia held a pro war rally to mark the anniversary of the Crimea Invasion. Should sanction all of these people.


     
  39. fsugrad99

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    God I’m glad we have adults in charge
     
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    OFCOM have revoked RT's license to broadcast here in the UK, as they're not considered "fit & proper", or a "responsible broadcaster".

    RT responded, without a hint of irony, that OFCOM has shown itself to be "nothing more than a tool of government, bending to its media-suppressing will"
     
  41. Wicket

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    Honestly dont know why they even bother doing a release
     
  42. leroi

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    he isn't saying that Russia is necessarily going to invade Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland

    he's saying that the Kremlin views those countries as being integral to the security of Russia, in the same way the U.S. might view Mexico, Canada, and Cuba.
     
  43. Wicket

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    well he did refer to the US troops kicking Russians booties if that were to happen straight afterwards, so it kinda felt that way to me
     
  44. Parab00n

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    I took that as it meaning that Russia's only option would be Nuclear in that scenario because we assume a conventional battle between the 2 would be 1 sided.
     
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  45. Wicket

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    ah, i interpret that as a phase 2 after already being fucked up in phase 1 of a conflict
     
  46. Keef

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  47. AUShyGuy

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    Good to see Zelensky hasn’t had to skip arm days yet
     
  48. leroi

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    yeah, the scenario he's outlining is the worst-case

    one where Russia achieves its goals in Ukraine. What would be next are a set of strategic goals against NATO countries that Russia knows it cannot fulfill with conventional weapons.

    That means, cynically, the best way to avoid nuclear war is to have the kremlin grind itself out indefinitely in Ukraine, which is obviously bad for the people living in Ukraine
     
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    Holding up Western democracy single handedly gets mad gains
     
  50. Wicket

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    So is it probable that he would still try and achieve these objectives because that just doesnt seem plausible to me.

    (im now speaking fully on a personal note) I do not think it is plausible that any party would go into a conflict assuming nukes are even in play, you need a kissinger level asshole to even think about normalizing nukes. They only come into play when things go absolutely sideways