Realignment: The ACC enters the Suck Zone

Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by * J Y *, Jun 29, 2015.

  1. UCFkc123

    UCFkc123 Best Supporting Poster
    Donor
    UCF KnightsKansas City ChiefsOrlando CityAntifa

    Def gators #1, but I’d put UCF #2 since 2016 or so. UCF best seasons coincided with FSU falling off the face of the earth.
     
    beerleagueman likes this.
  2. Gaknight

    Gaknight Well-Known Member
    Donor TMB OG
    UCF KnightsAtlanta HawksAtlanta FalconsAtlanta United

    At least it wasn’t C. Florida
     
    UCFkc123 likes this.
  3. Gaknight

    Gaknight Well-Known Member
    Donor TMB OG
    UCF KnightsAtlanta HawksAtlanta FalconsAtlanta United

    One of our best seasons FSU won the natty and then they fell off the face of the earth.
     
    UCFkc123 likes this.
  4. GoodForAnother

    GoodForAnother I’d rather be down the allotment
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Kansas State WildcatsKansas City RoyalsKansas City ChiefsSporting Kansas CityTottenham HotspurBig 8 ConferenceBig 12 ConferenceCoors LightFormula 1

    WVU as one of our biggest brands is hilarious. I assume it’s a troll attempt so I’m not engaging in it seriously but it is very funny
     
    houtex716, Dump, 42yard and 5 others like this.
  5. Saul Shabazz

    Saul Shabazz We Breachin
    TMB OG

     
    Dump, War Grundle and UCFkc123 like this.
  6. Tarpon Nole

    Tarpon Nole Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida State SeminolesTampa Bay RaysTampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay Lightning

    who is it then?
     
    Daniel Ocean likes this.
  7. Gaknight

    Gaknight Well-Known Member
    Donor TMB OG
    UCF KnightsAtlanta HawksAtlanta FalconsAtlanta United

    Sorry we had a gap towards the end of the GOL era that I blocked from my memory until the Milton era.
     
  8. Saul Shabazz

    Saul Shabazz We Breachin
    TMB OG

    Understandable

    We are currently in one of those gaps ourselves
     
    Dump and UCFkc123 like this.
  9. Tarpon Nole

    Tarpon Nole Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida State SeminolesTampa Bay RaysTampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay Lightning

    we can all agree it’s not:
    Iowa state
    Kansas
    K-State
    Houston
    TCU
    UCF
    Cincinnati
    Texas Tech
    Baylor

    that leaves:
    Oklahoma state
    Wvu
    BYU

    still think my original point that Washington and Oregon are much bigger football brands than anything in b12
     
  10. Gaknight

    Gaknight Well-Known Member
    Donor TMB OG
    UCF KnightsAtlanta HawksAtlanta FalconsAtlanta United

    “We can all agree”

    No one agrees with you but you keep going
     
  11. Taques

    Taques sometimes maybe good sometimes maybe shit
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    The Real Movement

    hes talking about brand, and baylor despite their golden era of sports is still a tiny weird religious school that has the fewest number of fans in the conference sans TCU
     
    Tobias, Dump, texasraider and 4 others like this.
  12. Tarpon Nole

    Tarpon Nole Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida State SeminolesTampa Bay RaysTampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay Lightning

    Id love to get your opinion. Which of those12 schools, most of which were recently in a mid major conference, are the biggest 2 in the conference and are equal with Washington and Oregon?
     
  13. UCFkc123

    UCFkc123 Best Supporting Poster
    Donor
    UCF KnightsKansas City ChiefsOrlando CityAntifa

    I’d say both Kansas schools are bigger brands than OSU, but I live in Orlando so idk
     
  14. The Banks

    The Banks TMB's Alaskan
    Donor TMB OG
    Oregon DucksGreen Bay PackersDetroit Red WingsBayern Munich

    This wasn’t said.
     
  15. Fuzzy Zoeller

    Fuzzy Zoeller College football > NFL
    Donor

    Ah. In that case I still think Baylor has more fans than UH.
     
  16. Mix

    Mix I own a Fuddruckers with Scottie Pippen
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    UCF KnightsPittsburgh PenguinsOrlando CityPittsburgh Steelers

    Baylor is probably one of the most well known brands in football. Just not so much because of the football.
     
    Tobias, Tommy Jefferson, Dump and 9 others like this.
  17. Tarpon Nole

    Tarpon Nole Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida State SeminolesTampa Bay RaysTampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay Lightning

    idk what to tell you if you think Kansas and Kansas state football are the two biggest football brands in those 12
     
  18. Taques

    Taques sometimes maybe good sometimes maybe shit
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    The Real Movement

    from a football program value standpoint, the three most valuable schools are kansas state, oklahoma state, and texas tech according to WSJ
     
    Dump, 42yard, EMAW FC and 3 others like this.
  19. GoodForAnother

    GoodForAnother I’d rather be down the allotment
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Kansas State WildcatsKansas City RoyalsKansas City ChiefsSporting Kansas CityTottenham HotspurBig 8 ConferenceBig 12 ConferenceCoors LightFormula 1

    we can all agree the last two basketball national champions pale in comparison to the flagship university of a destitute coal mining state
     
    Tommy Jefferson, Dump, 42yard and 3 others like this.
  20. beerleagueman

    beerleagueman Well-Known Member

    isn’t Washington one of those Pre Invention of Hd TV brands that is never coming back? Oregon has Phil Knight to make up for the location
     
  21. UCFkc123

    UCFkc123 Best Supporting Poster
    Donor
    UCF KnightsKansas City ChiefsOrlando CityAntifa

    Yeah def not football for KU, wasn’t thinking just football. I do think K State is as big or bigger than Oklahoma State, but I don’t even live in that region so maybe not
     
  22. 20/20/20/20

    20/20/20/20 running thru the house with a pickle in my mouth
    Donor TMB OG
    Nebraska CornhuskersCharlotte HornetsCleveland BrownsDetroit TigersNebraska Cornhuskers alt

    The Big 12 is the brand. The beauty is that they are all so even and there isn’t a dominant force like Texas, Ohio State, USC, etc.
     
    Dump, drewru, EMAW FC and 3 others like this.
  23. Pokes

    Pokes Younger, hipper, cooler
    Donor
    Oklahoma State CowboysTexas RangersDallas MavericksDallas CowboysDallas StarsFormula 1

    I’d trade Baylor/TCU for Rice/UTSA in a heartbeat
     
    houtex716, Dump, texasraider and 2 others like this.
  24. Taques

    Taques sometimes maybe good sometimes maybe shit
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    The Real Movement

    washington, nebraska, colorado, tennessee, and miami all fit the mold
     
    Dump, drewru, DistantFactor and 2 others like this.
  25. Pokes

    Pokes Younger, hipper, cooler
    Donor
    Oklahoma State CowboysTexas RangersDallas MavericksDallas CowboysDallas StarsFormula 1

    people describing Texas as a dominant force makes me laugh.
     
    40wwttamgib, Dump, 42yard and 6 others like this.
  26. 20/20/20/20

    20/20/20/20 running thru the house with a pickle in my mouth
    Donor TMB OG
    Nebraska CornhuskersCharlotte HornetsCleveland BrownsDetroit TigersNebraska Cornhuskers alt

    Tarpon, let’s flip it around. What DO you like about WVU that makes them the strongest brand? You seem to just neg all the other schools like WVU is somehow clearly superior.
     
  27. Tarpon Nole

    Tarpon Nole Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida State SeminolesTampa Bay RaysTampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay Lightning

    those rankings are always all over the place with why is public knowledge, the way they allocate money etc. but this is probably something you could use to try and rationalize this
     
  28. GoodForAnother

    GoodForAnother I’d rather be down the allotment
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Kansas State WildcatsKansas City RoyalsKansas City ChiefsSporting Kansas CityTottenham HotspurBig 8 ConferenceBig 12 ConferenceCoors LightFormula 1

    correct, there is one bad program and football will be compelling every year with many above average programs that play fun styles
     
  29. Gaknight

    Gaknight Well-Known Member
    Donor TMB OG
    UCF KnightsAtlanta HawksAtlanta FalconsAtlanta United

    WVU lost their coach to Houston and has been terrible in the Big 12
     
  30. 20/20/20/20

    20/20/20/20 running thru the house with a pickle in my mouth
    Donor TMB OG
    Nebraska CornhuskersCharlotte HornetsCleveland BrownsDetroit TigersNebraska Cornhuskers alt

    Brand wise, are people not following the conversation?
     
    drewru likes this.
  31. Pokes

    Pokes Younger, hipper, cooler
    Donor
    Oklahoma State CowboysTexas RangersDallas MavericksDallas CowboysDallas StarsFormula 1

    I get what you’re saying, but having seen their on-field product first hand for the last decade plus I can’t help but laugh
     
  32. Tarpon Nole

    Tarpon Nole Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida State SeminolesTampa Bay RaysTampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay Lightning

    Well this discussion has gone way off the tracks

    The original question this morning involved what was going to get more money/be more sellable- the new pac10 or the future b12. I think the pac is better at the very top, but worse at the bottom. The big12 is probably more even top to bottom, but lags significantly behind with what its top is

    Washington and Oregon are much larger football brands than anything the b12 would have. But the pac 12 has more bottom feeders that idk what you do with

    my point with wvu is there are bars that have watch parties in Tampa. I’ve randomly stumbled across them in other cities as well. Never come across any other b12 school.
     
    drewru likes this.
  33. GoodForAnother

    GoodForAnother I’d rather be down the allotment
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Kansas State WildcatsKansas City RoyalsKansas City ChiefsSporting Kansas CityTottenham HotspurBig 8 ConferenceBig 12 ConferenceCoors LightFormula 1

    steamengine likes this.
  34. Taques

    Taques sometimes maybe good sometimes maybe shit
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    The Real Movement

    maybe, but as someone who knows the current big 12 schools inside and out, KSU/OSU/TTU are the most valuable football programs in some order and have large fanbases in major metros

    that’s not to say WVU isn’t one of the best brands in the conference though, and they bring Pittsburgh

    imo:
    KSU/OSU/TTU
    WVU/KU
    BYU/UCF
    ISU/cincinnati
    baylor
    houston
    TCU
     
  35. GoodForAnother

    GoodForAnother I’d rather be down the allotment
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Kansas State WildcatsKansas City RoyalsKansas City ChiefsSporting Kansas CityTottenham HotspurBig 8 ConferenceBig 12 ConferenceCoors LightFormula 1

    hey just a few more years of big 12 tv payouts and we’ll pass fsu
     
    beerleagueman likes this.
  36. Tarpon Nole

    Tarpon Nole Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida State SeminolesTampa Bay RaysTampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay Lightning

    good or bad recently has nothing to do with it. Wake Forrest won the division last year. They aren’t a bigger football brand than Clemson or fsu
     
  37. EMAW FC

    EMAW FC Proud Smucker
    Donor
    Kansas State WildcatsKansas City RoyalsKansas City ChiefsFulhamSporting Kansas CitySneakers

    oregon without nike is boise state with normal turf
     
    Dump, 42yard, NineteenNine and 4 others like this.
  38. Gritty Badger

    Gritty Badger Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Philadelphia PhilliesPhiladelphia Eagles

    assault
     
    BuckeyeRiot likes this.
  39. Tarpon Nole

    Tarpon Nole Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida State SeminolesTampa Bay RaysTampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay Lightning

    I laughed, but Oregon has played in two national championship games in recent history
     
    Dump, drewru and DistantFactor like this.
  40. GoodForAnother

    GoodForAnother I’d rather be down the allotment
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Kansas State WildcatsKansas City RoyalsKansas City ChiefsSporting Kansas CityTottenham HotspurBig 8 ConferenceBig 12 ConferenceCoors LightFormula 1

    with Nike
     
    Dump, EMAW FC, UCFkc123 and 1 other person like this.
  41. Simon Templar

    Simon Templar Well-Known Member
    Kansas JayhawksChicago CubsSneakersBig 8 Conference

    1) does it even matter?
    2) which sport or in general?
     
  42. Tarpon Nole

    Tarpon Nole Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida State SeminolesTampa Bay RaysTampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay Lightning

    duh
     
  43. Tarpon Nole

    Tarpon Nole Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida State SeminolesTampa Bay RaysTampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay Lightning

    1.) $$$$$$$
    2.) football makes the money and is why all this shit has been happening. Obvs if we are talking bball it’s much different
     
  44. repoocs

    repoocs Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet
    Donor
    Notre Dame Fighting IrishCincinnati RedsCincinnati BengalsXavier Musketeers

    Funny. I've also blocked a GOL era from my memory.
     
  45. bwhit21

    bwhit21 Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Colorado BuffaloesColorado RockiesLos Angeles LakersLos Angeles Kings

    Anything thinking the Buffs will jump at a Big 12 offer should know that our administration is terrible, and they love the idea of being associated with the academics at Cal and Stanford. I don’t think we’ll be making any bold moves until their hand is forced.

    Otherwise, I think there’s a lot of people in here overrating Big 12 fan bases and underrating PAC fan bases (except Stanford, which is not good). Most of the schools are in the 45k to 55k attendance range with varying levels of national interest.

    Regardless, if the Buffs had anything resembling competent leadership, we’d make the jump now, get back to some old rivalries and get away from the P12 network.
     
    drewru likes this.
  46. Bricktop the white

    Bricktop the white Well-Known Member

    If anyone gave a shit about college basketball the ACC wouldn't be in total ruin with all 3 of its worthwhile members trying desperately to sabotage the conference and escape to avoid becoming completely irrelevant.
     
    Dump, Dick Dollars, VaxRule and 3 others like this.
  47. Tarpon Nole

    Tarpon Nole Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida State SeminolesTampa Bay RaysTampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay Lightning

    idk why people haven’t figured this out and keep talking about unc and duke like anyone gives a shit about academics or basketball
     
    drewru likes this.
  48. Bricktop the white

    Bricktop the white Well-Known Member

    academics are way more valuable than basketball. the b1g is actually pretty smart to prioritize huge research universities and they make a fortune on grants for collaborative research.
     
    Dump, drewru and Corch like this.
  49. Taques

    Taques sometimes maybe good sometimes maybe shit
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    The Real Movement

    duke is dead as an athletic program now that K has retired but UNC is still a major brand, certainly bigger than oregon and washington
     
    Dump and Simon Templar like this.
  50. Tarpon Nole

    Tarpon Nole Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Florida State SeminolesTampa Bay RaysTampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay Lightning

    just to clarify - I’m not saying Washington and Oregon are on par with Alabama and notre dame or Ohio state

    just that those two are above what the big12 can offer

    that being said, ain’t no one watching unc football
     
    Dump and drewru like this.