Republic of China vs Peoples Republic of China Thread: Taiwan #1

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  1. roggins

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    Send her back. upload_2022-8-6_9-1-33.jpeg
     
  2. PaulKemp

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    Iron Mickey would love to read your thoughts on this if you have time at some point
     
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    Is fun to say it's just an 82 year old but Pelosi is 2nd in line for President if God forbid something happens to Dark Brandon. It's a big deal.
     
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    Taiwan is Chinese land, am I missing something? Just because Chiang Kai Shek ran away and hid there, then declared it an sovereign and the one true china doesn't make it true. China tolerates what Tiawan has done, acting as a sovereign state, but they don't need to.

    Oh and probably unrelated to any of this but the taiwan based company that runs the microprocessor global market is not only the keystone of the Pelosi portfolio but also one of her greatest campaign contributors.
     
  6. HowdyHorns

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    The Taiwanese people disagree with your take for what that is worth.

    it is not unrelated but not for the reason you imply.
     
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    The global debate over this exact stance.
     
  8. BWC

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    Thatsa spicy 牛肉丸
     
  9. Handcuffed

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    lol at how predictable his post would be given the shit posting from this guy in the ukraine thread
     
  10. Sir Phobos

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    ^ would have supported England in the Revolutionary War.
     
  11. Butthead

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    Biden saying the U.S. would protect Taiwan militarily seems like a bigger provocation, even if it was kind of walked back
     
  12. The Banks

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    I don’t recall this from R2.
     
  13. brolift

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    If you want to do your own research and get all the facts on a longer timeline on how we got here and how it is likely to end check out The Long Twentieth Century and Adam Smith in Beijing by Giovanni Arrighi. Good shit.
     
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    will have a look
     
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    ^ would have supported the confederacy during the civil
     
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    If you can’t pass a driving test you shouldn’t be able to drive a fighter jet.

    Or hold office but America does want to drink that tea yet
     
  17. HowdyHorns

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    So in your mind Taiwan is similar to the confederacy? Would you expound, please?

    Or was this a joke that went over my head? Would not be the first time.
     
  18. Iron Mickey

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    It’s a facile comparison to match the other. Point imo is an interrupted civil war with a right wing faction protected by international powers.
     
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    I think his is more apt and disagree with your premise. And am thrilled I did not miss the joke or point. Today has been a good day.
     
  20. Iron Mickey

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    ok
     
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    An argument between Mick and Howdy is like Georgia Tech playing Cumberland in 1916
     
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  22. BWC

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    You should expound on your reasoning here
     
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    I didn’t think either compare was good and today comparing Taiwan to the confederacy seems out of place. As for the original compare there are some similarities. Britain/China were/are autocratic nations. 13 colonies/Taiwan were/are territories of the former. Both had/have goal of self governing without interference. Geography makes it difficult to exert control over both.
     
  25. BP

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    A few YT channels have also covered it pretty well
     
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  26. BWC

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    Yes, neither is particularly applicable (note how Mick used “facile” in his post to describe both analogies). You have a poor (yet common) understanding of the origins history with the rest of your post here, at least in how you’re aligning the sides of the analogy.

    Taiwan is very much its own situation, so trying to fit it into comfortable boxes of fractured histories we learned in our own schooling about our own country is expected, but serves as a really detrimental lens through which to understand the situation. We can’t even get the lens right for our own history.

    Politics further clouds things from all directions, because a Western view will always arrive at democracy good, communism bad and bias assumptions as such.

    This is an incredibly gray situation that the world’s two super powers treat as black and white on opposite ends of belief. As to the current situation, my read here close to it is this is just a useful instrument to drum up nationalist sentiment in the mainland and distract the population from the pains of zero COVID policy as the CCP Congress approaches in October. It’s pretty clear and obvious.
     
  27. JGator1

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    Get Joe Rogan or any other pundit who's read 1 tweet on the issue and we'll get it resolved asap!!!!!!!!!!

    a non-zero percentage of people in this country actually believe that
     
  28. BWC

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    :feelsbadman:
     
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  29. HowdyHorns

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    Why would you think I have a poor understanding of the history?

    As I said originally I made neither of the first two compares and was not trying to fit it into a comfortable box.

    I also made no allusions to good or bad.

    I absolutely agree.
     
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  30. leroi

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    China has historically been a loosely defined geographic region where multiple nation-states competed for control

    most of China, but not all of it, is controlled by the People's Republic of China.

    the PRC believes that "there is only One China"

    Taiwan is in China, but has never been part of the People's Republic of China

    the United States agrees that the PRC believes that there is only one China, but the United States de facto policy is that there are at least two competing nation states within China.

    clear now?
     
    #80 leroi, Aug 7, 2022
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  31. BWC

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    Fair enough, upon second reading, I went beyond your narrow text with my response. There is a fair amount implied when drawing the Revolutionary War comparisons, but you did thread the needle there in keeping it to political colors and not the actual levers of war that led to each circumstance. That’s my point with the poor understanding. You didn’t go far enough back in drawing your comparison, a comparison that we both agree is generally useless or quite superficial at best.
     
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  32. skiedfrillet

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    Someone explain this situation to me using lord of the rings lore as an analogy ty
     
  33. timo

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  34. Bert Handsome

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    There is some "you don't get to tell us where we can and cannot visit" to this too.
     
  35. Redav

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    Which is the type of bravado you want from elected officials
     
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  36. brolift

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    The ents are China and they’ve had enough of your orc bull shit.
     
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  37. NDJOECA

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    Taiwan also agrees there is only “one China”
     
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  38. steamengine

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    Cliffs for those of us who don’t know how to read?
     
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  39. ramszoolander

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    lol we already have a fuck around and find out thread, why do we need this?
     
  40. brolift

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    Modern capitalism has had 4 major periods of financial expansion. 4 long centuries he calls them. The Genoese, Dutch, English, and American. Each one unique but similar, building on the previous century. The gist is the American century may be ending and the Chinese century may be starting. The kicker is that each previous century’s ending was marked by a violent reorganization of the global economy.
     
  41. Redav

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    I've heard this theory before but not framed this way. Interesting
     
  42. leroi

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    yes, officially the KMT did state that there is One China, and that it is Taiwan.

    that was about 30 years ago, and it does kind of describe their backward-looking policy (during the cold war), but today i would describe them as having no official policy.
     
    #92 leroi, Aug 7, 2022
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  43. Andy Reocho

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    Could you share these accounts, or specific videos?
     
  44. Corky Bucek

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    These posts always irk me. Hey I consume this content and refer to it, but you are gonna have to find it on your own.
     
  45. Butthead

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  46. VaxRule

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    They’ve effectively been different countries for the lifetimes of most people alive right now (excluding the geriatrics in charge of our country). We pretended one of them was “the real China” until it became advantageous to pretend the other one was. Both governments are/have been problematic. They should just be cool going their separate ways, but that’s not how people are wired. Shit’s always got to be about maintaining your reputation, looking tough, and “winning.”

    Cliffs: people suck
     
    #96 VaxRule, Aug 7, 2022
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  47. BP

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  48. BP

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    It’s not that difficult to use Google or the search function on YT. Or just ask instead of complaining.
     
  49. Andy Reocho

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    Thank you sir. Look forward to getting educated.
     
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  50. Corky Bucek

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    Where is the search function located on YouTube?