If we're looking at the 10 most who gives an actual shit about them NFL franchises Washington is like, easily in there.
Look at almost any most valuable franchise rankings and they'll be top 10. Forbes has them 3rd: https://www.nfl.com/photos/the-most-valuable-nfl-franchises-according-to-forbes-0ap3000000530683 You're just wrong.
No, I'm really not. Nobody. I mean nobody, gives a tiny fuck about that team. NFL fans don't even give a fuck about them. https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/ranking-nfl-teams-popularity-across-us https://www.fox26houston.com/sports/houston-texans-least-popular-nfl-team-according-to-recent-study https://gridironheroics.com/32-nfl-teams-ranked-worst-to-first/
They may be valuable, idk, but that isn't because anyone actually cares about them or that they're interesting or drive fan engagement. They do none of those things and haven't done those things in fucking years, probably decades.
Social media followers, generally. There's bottom 5 fan engagement for Washington. My entire point has been that literally nobody gives a single fuck about that team.
Using social media engagement as your gauge is fucking hilarious. Selena Gomez is the most cared about person on the planet, apparently.
I think it's a very large fanbase that has grown apathetic due to poor performance and horrible ownership. a new owner coming in and having some success would completely reignite the fanbase.
They're a very valuable team except for fan attendance, social media engagement, and merchandise sales. Aside from that they're great.
A lot of that is cyclical and depends on how the team is doing. They've been bad for a long time so it's not surprising. They also have an owner the fans hate. Why do you think they are so valuable if nobody cares? What's your explanation for that?
you must be young. Before Snyder they were among the toughest tickets on earth to get and filled a 90k stadium every week. A historically significant franchise that was absolutely run aground by a bad person
The biggest hesitation for Washington is they are in need of a few billion stadium deal (not the one Snyder wants) in a difficult real estate marker its easily 4billion but if Manchester United cant get 6 then idk about that franchise.
They're in a huge market and franchise valuations have inflated a ton in the last decade. They honestly couldn't be less relevant, though. Nobody. Gives. A. Fuck. Look at game ratings. Look at google search terms. Nobody fucking cares besides Forbes, apparently. Even the Cowboys, who have mostly stepped on their own dicks and sucked assholes for going on 3 decades are among the highest viewed teams in the league, have the most merch sales, the best fan attendance, and the most social media engagement. It's because people care about them and they don't care about Washington. Sry but I'm not wrong here even a tiny bit.
You mean nobody has given a fuck since the 90s? Nebraska and Washington, except we still draw a crowd and ratings.
How do you explain Dallas being regularly uncompetitive when it matters since the 90s and still being as relevant as they are?
I can’t believe this is an actual argument. arguing if they are worth 6B is one thing but arguing that they aren’t one of the most valuable franchises because they have sucked is crazy. Let this blow your mind: The Knicks have been terrible forever but they too are one of the most valuable franchises.
It's not even that they've sucked. There's plenty of bad pro franchises that are still relevant. Washington hasn't been relevant in decades, though. Not even a little bit. The Knicks are relevant. The Cowboys are relevant. Washington is irrelevant and literally every single fact about the franchise aside from valuation, apparently, says that exact thing.
the Cowboys have been way more successful, and have an owner that is way more engaged and for better or worse clearly cares about the success of the team. terrible comparison.
The Knicks have the 7th best attendance in the NBA. Washington is literally last in the NFL. I guarantee if I pull all the Knicks predictors for fan engagement they're going to be top 10 in the NBA. Washington is bottom 10, mostly bottom 5, in all of those same marks in the NFL.
Washington is relevant because of their history, because they play 6 games a year vs some of the largest markets, because of their population. None of that changes if they are good or bad. If they are good 6B could be cheap.
That is literally the main driver and very relevant. What a weird take and Boo level melty going on here
the point is that the WFT have had the worst owner in sports for the last 20+ years and he's beaten the fanbase into apathy. doesn't mean they're all gone forever.
right, and the valuation of the franchise is partly based on that potential. do you finally understand?
Didn't say they are. Anybody can turn it around. But for literally my entire adult life nobody has given a single fuck about Washington. All the major predictors of a franchise that is relevant point to the opposite.
My initial argument with dbl was that nobody gives a fuck about Washington. I didn't argue that they weren't valuable. I didn't argue that they can't ever be successful. I argued that nobody gives a rat's ass about them and haven't for decades. Not even NFL fans. And I'm not wrong.
Look at the DC XFL team. They have good fans. Those fans would jump back to NFL in a heartbeat if things turned around.
There are a lot of shit owners out there but I can’t think of any who has actively done more to antagonize and drive away fans - and I mean beyond being merely futile as a football team - than Dan Snyder. The DC metro market (excluding Baltimore and Baltimore suburbs) is the 6th largest in the country and I will tell you that to the extent that anyone in this area cares about any team in any sport at any level, it’s the Commies. They’re absolutely a top 10 valuable franchise in literally anyone else’s hands.
Citing poor leadership and 2 decades of losing to me as a justification for lack of fan engagement is hilarious considering, you know, Nebraska fan.
Lots of other things to do in DC. What the fuck else are you going to do in Nebraska? Husk more corn?
You would think a relevant team with lots of fans that care a lot could withstand the allure of the Washington Monument on NFL Sundays.
Dan Snyder, by being the worst owner in major American sports, has actively alienated entire swaths of the fanbase. one of my best friends plans to reengage with the WFT as soon as there are new owners. people care about that franchise, just not right now.