NHL Thread: Roy is War

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  1. goblue31602

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  2. CF3234

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    Like slashing draisaitl for no reason?
     
  3. O-face

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    His only suspension in 15 seasons. Tkachuk has had 4 in 7 seasons.
     
  4. dump

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    Lets go Vegas
     
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  6. IHHH

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  7. The Banks

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    This is silly reasoning. Chara should’ve been suspended a couple dozen times but for some reason had a reputation that his flying elbows to the head, cross checks to the necks, and general goonery were okay. The number of suspensions shouldn’t define a player with how silly the NHL’s wheel of justice is.
     
  8. Gunners

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    Seems like a good thing
     
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  9. IHHH

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    Chara came as close as you can to killing a guy on purpose in an nhl game and I think he got 2 games for it
     
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  10. goblue31602

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    To say that's worse than bertuzzis punch is probably inaccurate
     
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    I think you combine that with his tendency to be near the top in penalty minutes, every season, and it’s a pretty good gauge… or is it completely subjective?
     
  12. miles

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    Eh, Tkachuk for most of his career has drawn significantly more penalty minutes than he’s taken. He’s a pest/shit disturber who is looking for a response more than anything. (Sometimes he steps over that line, hence the suspensions) I’ve never much gotten the sense that he’s deliberately trying to hurt people :twocents:
     
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  13. IHHH

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    it is really not, driving someone’s face right into a piece of metal when skating at full speed is pretty close to trying to kill someone

    the only other one that comes close is the mcsorley stick to brahsear’s head. The bertuzzi one is a sucker punch that went horribly bad
     
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  15. miles

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    Intent doesn’t get enough emphasis and result gets too much.

    One of the worst plays I’ve ever seen was Malkin trying to go full lumberjack on a guy’s face a couple years ago. (he’s incredibly lucky he missed)
     
  16. IHHH

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    I am back to the chara thing but he knew exactly what he was doing. I am sure he did not expect the result to be that bad but he drove him in there on purpose. 100% sure of that.
     
  17. The Banks

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    This should’ve been 20+ games. He knew exactly what he was doing. Intentionally ran his head into the turnbuckle. Just a despicable hockey play.
     
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  18. miles

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    Chara was dirty as fuck. No argument there
     
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  19. The Banks

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    Malkin is one of the dirtiest players in the league and should have more than a years worth of suspensions at this point.
     
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    God damn Boston sports commentary pisses me off. Throw the dialect in on top of it and it might honestly be the most personally triggering thing I can think of.
     
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  21. lomcevak

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    I fucking hate Babcock. What he did to franzen was BS. And I could have won a cup with the roster he had...how could he not eek out one more cup between 05-12.
     
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    I feel like coach recycling is worse in hockey than any other sport. Based on no data whatsoever.
     
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  23. goblue31602

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    Nba is close but I definitely think nhl is the worst
     
  24. miles

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    It's mind boggling to me that you could hear several former players call him a horrible human being and hire him.

    Moreover I think it's a stupid move by Columbus considering they're a team that has traditionally struggled to attract/retain elite talent.
     
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  25. CF3234

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    Cbj is not a well run team. Kekalainen has been living off the panarin for saad trade for way too long
     
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    Canada won the World Cup with their f team lol. The dominance of hockey Canada is pretty incredible and wild right now.

    gotta give credit where credit is due, this is as dominant of a run as we have seen.
     
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    Too bad they can’t win a Stanley Cup with one of their teams LMBO
     
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  28. IHHH

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    canadian players win a lot of Stanley cups, it’s one of the dumbest narrative out there when people say that. The Stanley cup will still spend more time in Canada this summer than anywhere else.

    also
     
  29. The Banks

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    Nobody gives a shit about tournaments where it’s not best on best so til you win one of those, or a Stanley Cup, let’s tap the brakes.
     
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  30. IHHH

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    Lol, Canadian players win Stanley cups at a better rate than any other country. Come on man

    and who won EVERY SINGLE last best on best tournaments? Canada

    your argument is so painfully dumb, so because an American based team with mostly Canadian players in it win the cup you get to claim it as something bad for Canada and some badge of honour for American hockey? Lol

    all it says is that your country is better at giving tax breaks to multi billions companies
     
  31. dump

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    The Stanley Cup will reside in the capitalist capital of America

    Las Vegas, Nevada
     
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  32. DeToxRox

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  33. CF3234

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    Not sure I would have given him the 8 years with the up and down sample size, but the AAV is reasonable
     
  34. DeToxRox

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    I still have no idea why these young players are signing max term deals coming off their ELCs.
     
  35. Illinihockey

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    because they want money?
     
  36. DeToxRox

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    I mean I get that but signing a bridge deal and then cashing in at 24/25 is the best way to maximize your earnings. Someone like Caufield who already has had a major injury, I get that. But a guy like Cale Makar could have signed a bridge deal at like 3x8 and then gotten 8x11 on his next deal.
     
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  37. CF3234

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    The best ones should be signing 5 year deals which buy out 1 UFA year and cashing in as a FA going into their age 27 season. Matthews, Marner, and Nylander are about to absolutely break the bank.
     
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  38. Illinihockey

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    Guess it’s just risk reward of cash in hand now. What if makar takes a terrible hit to his head because the NHL doesn’t give a shit and his entire career is fucked. Plus you never know when the garbage league is going to lock the players out. Also it’s hard to say if teams are offering bridge deals as much anymore. It could be that teams have learned offer sheets won’t come and if they do, they can match so why offer lucrative bridge deals
     
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  39. ohhaithur

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    It's more complicated than you're saying. It's an expected value and risk aversion calculation, with time value of money factored in.

    Makar's deal might not have maximized his total career NHL earnings but I wouldn't be surprised if his deal was near the top of his expected value curve
     
  40. DeToxRox

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    But the problem is these deals are getting signed during a period of time with a relatively stagnant cap. They don’t account for likelihood that the cap will explode in the next 2-4 years.
     
  41. Illinihockey

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    We’ve been hearing the cap is going to explode in 2-4 years for over a decade
     
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  42. ohhaithur

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    I assume all of that is calculated in these guys' plans. Along with stuff like potential for tax rate hikes
     
  43. DeToxRox

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    Yes that’s fair, but it’s inevitably going to happen.
     
  44. DeToxRox

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    I just think hockey players by nature are risk averse and that goes up through hockey operations guys.
     
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  45. ohhaithur

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    I think most people are. Makar locked in $20m extra guaranteed at the expense of, what? In your example he gets $24m now and $88m later ($112m total). Now he gets $54m locked up and still can still likely get 5x$8m at the end of this deal for $94m total over the same time period.

    Not only do you have time value of money and inflation closing the gap between $112m and $94m, but the risk aversion is clearly in favor of the big deal early. If you get hurt the difference between $54m and $34m more than 50%. The difference between $112m and $94m if he maximizes his income is less than 20%

    Plus sponsorships are already a way players profit based on their success, so you still have upside potential while smoothing out the risk curve

    I generally like locking up your money early, except for Ronald Acuna Jr., who got absolutely robbed by the Braves
     
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  46. miles

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    Sens exploring the market for Debrincat, apparently.
     
  47. CF3234

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    Well yeah. He doesn’t want to re-sign
     
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  49. Sub-Zero

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    Why can’t the nhl just start games when the game is supposed to start?
     
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    Some incredible hits so far. Clean too
     
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