to be fair, merging with these additional PAC schools instead of the AAC schools would have been a superior play. but things unfolded in a weird manner
allegedly the Big12 is meeting as we speak to decide if ASU and Utah will get invites, and if they do, it will be at partial shares
It’s more complicated than this and youngsters are probably like, ‘wat?!?’ But the Franz Ferdinand of this entire thing comes back to Texas coming into the Big 8 and convincing the other schools that Nebraska winning too much is bad. (And look where it got you all)
Definite link between 3 of the former P5 conferences losing membership (+potentially ACC) and the blue bloods in those conferences biggest state underperforming during the Saban/Bama Era. USC Texas FSU
Wiscy. Clash of styles. close enough geographically to make sense. will drink you under the table but can't handle your dank weed
Technically we are B1G, ACC, and Indy. We need to plant a sport in the SEC and Big 12 and get a piece of every pie.
Oh I’ve always known it was Texas. I just go back to the creation of LHN as the Franz Ferdinand moment.
It's very nice to be a Have. Things got a little dark pretty fast last June when USC and UCLA jumped ship and while I felt like we'd ultimately end up in the right place in the long term, there was risk and fear of irreparable damage to the program from the uncertainty in that interim. And i dont even mean recruiting-wise; i mean being in a mid-major tier conference for a couple of years. In the end, going into the BIG in the same season as the LA schools is downright hilarious. But this all really sucks IMO. I love the PAC. I love that the PAC was so fucking hard to win; there's a reason why only one team has gone undefeated in the conference. I love that the road trips to the PNW and the Bay area and LA and Arizona and the mountains were all so distinct and separate. I love it as a person - I have college friends in or near most of these places so road games were always doable - and I love it as a football fan because it made the road games worth watching. While this is probably a little naive, it doesn't really seem like a trip to Wisconsin or Michigan or Pennsylvania will be all that distinct. I'm sad for Oregon St and Washington St fans. Those are smaller programs that, in the "long term", probably shouldn't be trying to compete with a USC or Washington. But IMO those teams did their part for the conference; they have pretty decent fanbases for their size, they have notable niches in CFB fandom, and they both had pretty decent successful runs in my lifetime. Mostly, I'm disappointed at how this has all gone done over the last few years. The Pac-12 has been made essentially a laughing stock amongst the P5 conferences and internet fandoms and I think it's been horseshit the entire time. If I was a conspiracy theorist, I'd wonder if ESPN intended for this breakup to accelerate the "CFB Superleague" shit that we're ending up at. Somehow "Pac 12 After Dark" became, like, zany, shitty football instead of just late-night football. It's still been a pretty good conference with some really good teams; despite the snark, I think the conference competed just fine with the non-SEC P5 ones based on the computer models. Oregon, Washington, and Utah did its part. USC simply wasn't good enough under Helton (and really even under Lane and Sark) and we couldn't compete with the Big 10's Ohio State. Them being the ones to initially want to leave - given that it's their failure that caused a lot of the issues - remains upsetting.
USC demanding the B1G not take Oregon and then getting sonned a year later is a good preview for how Texas’s first few years in the SEC will go
We were good until 2017, then bad for 5 seasons including Jimbo quittting mid season, an admittedly colossal failure of a coaching hire, and COVID chaos. Now coming off a 10 win season and have a good team coming back. It’s been a shitty 5 years, but the narrative in this thread that we’ve been bad for an extended period of time is just a bit exaggerated.
Oh, one thing will be distinct, all the B1G (or most is 100% better college towns, Eugene is the best of the worst in terms of what you are talking about). I said it earlier in thread west coast is literally that awesome everyday of the year. If you are talking about game days?? It’s not even close to the places in most of B1G. My Oregon friends were like, ‘we are still getting breakfast as I was already 3 beers deep tailgating when you visited Nebraska when I lived out there. college towns are 100% better in B1G, the cities in Pac 12 are better, but if you want a 3-4 day trip where you drink a lot and experience a college town, the B1G absolutely smokes what you know. source: me, I have seen them both and lived in them.
Slightly net positive emotions. Sad the Pac died and the WSU/OSU fans that care about sports and have invested in their programs are getting screwed. Mad that Larry Scott and whomever supported what he was doing fucked up so bad that USC and UCLA had to leave and kick this whole thing off. All of that outweighed by my gleeful pettiness that USC just lost their cheat code against Oregon.
there are some ramifications for some of us. My alma mater just went from a power 5 Pac-12 school to a Group of 5 Mountain West school. We will see a crazy drop in tv revenue and lose any good player or coach we have.
This still sucks ass for the sport as a whole, but I’m past that because we knew it was coming. I told my Oregon friends that for 5+ years, some 10. Love you all but a lot of you have lived in a bubble that doesn’t realize how college football works in other areas and how stupid it can be. Have a diehard friend thinking the money was there 4 days ago, season tickets, grew up in Eugene, the entire thing. its true where these places invest everything into the college town and football because outside of it is often a red nightmare of shit.
Big 12 should ship the AAC teams to the ACC and accept the remaining PAC schools. ND and BYU stay independent. problem solved.
also, just to add --- aligning with FOX is going to be disgusting. I dont want to watch clay travis on TV. I don't want to see promos for Trump interviews or meatball ron hate rallies or whatever. i'm not looking forward to that. i have no idea how ESPN/Disney gets the SEC and Fox gets the midwest/west teams.
If you can’t get your thoughts into 3 or 4 sentences I’m not reading it. I didn’t sign up for your journal entry.
In the case of Apple’s bid for the PAC rights we can see the limit and the obvious reason why. $30m per schools requires a pretty clear $ per fan. Could each school guarantee 150k subscribers paying $300 a year so you could pay the fee per school along with production costs and to generate a healthy profit? I doubt it. Ad revenue is lower is a D2C model.