Just so I'm clear, your evidence of knowing more about this issue than anyone who disagrees with you, is that you've been talking about it on TMB before anyone else? What in the god damn hell are you even talking about
Their families are being exterminated. To them there is not “getting worse” We’re telling them to accept extermination and fall in line because the other guy will be worse for us
Dude, you called anyone who disagrees with you a fan of child murder. Are you mature enough to admit that might be a tad much?
I'm gonna be fair here and say that wouldn't expect a guy who can't recognize genocide or ethnic cleansing to understand what I'm talking about in the first place. You have a nice day
Motherfucker you were comparing Muslims being less than liberal on LGBTQ issues to seeing a genocide of people that's their family or they identify with.
Weird. There's not a single TMB post by you that includes the word "Rwanda" I guess you must not know about it since you weren't posting about it before anyone else. Why are you a fan of murdering children?
Fundamentally the logic doesn't square that you're concerned about Biden's position on Israel-Palestine so you're enabling things to get worse?? It makes zero sense
The only way this shit makes sense is if someone has internalized their own ideas so much that there's no more room for nuance or flexibility, and any suggestion of being wrong is now an attack on their very identity. It's a logical response in that scenario, completely bat shit crazy in any other.
And if the Democratic Party doesn’t? Have they earned those votes? Why are they obligated to sign off on the Democratic Party’s candidates and platform if they see their views aren’t respected?
yes to discuss what issues the democratic party should cave on to win back voters (that they were losing pre-Gaza already) for when this discussion was electoralism focused is that inappropriate to discuss?
Plenty of posts that include the word Yemen though, especially considering TMB didn't fucking exist during the Rwandan genocide you dumbass Nice try tho
Oh. So I guess Rwanda is just too black. Or is that an unfair, bullshit projection not dissimilar from calling people child murderers?
Do you personally think that every single uncommitted voter in Michigan is not going to vote for Biden? I've not heard of these organizers talking points but I have absolutely heard tons of people saying they're doing this to try to pressure Biden not that they want him to lose.
yeah this binary isn't it for most from my experience it'd be odd for it to be the case for refugees in the US or children of to not understand the bottom can fall out much much further (and isn't the case from my experience at all)
they're some of the literal leaders of the groups organizing this movement, pretending they're just random outliers is so insane but you're dug in
This man is UPSET I called a spade a spade If you're this mad over it maybe you should reconsider your position on the subject and look in the fucking mirror You really thought you were doing something with that Rwanda post tho
I don't think they're random outliers, I'm absolutely objecting to the idea that the vast majority of the uncommitted vote that occurred is not going to come to Biden in November. This is not complicated, those organizers are shitty I agree! What else do you want!
Motherfucker painting a broadbush and saying all these people are going to withhold their vote in November is also a wild choice.
You keep talking about "these organizers" like they're instagram influencers or something I don't think all of these folks are gonna abstain in November. It'd be stupid not to believe that some will do exactly what they say they're gonna do, though. None of us know how many that is, but there's a chance it's enough.
I agree because we likely are going to deal with razor thin margins again, I'm hoping Biden is going to take their demands seriously and reevaluate his position. That may actually already be happening which is great.
Yes you're trying to mitigate what was very credible threats by discounting who was saying it and just assuming they will mostly come home. It's a discussion of scale disagreements, pnk has the more defensive position on this one
Completely agree. I'd love nothing more than to see this grassroots campaign of marginalized people organize and effect meaningful change. I am not at all for vindictive chaos that just causes more suffering.
That’s where we are at though. And I’m not going to blame them when there are about to be millions of uncles voting for Trump
On that note, the Biden being old/senile stuff is really sticking for people in my circle who don't really follow politics Maybe says more about me than anything
The “well I survived the first 4 years of Trump so I’ll be fine” is really saying something when close to a million people didn’t because of his actions and inaction
but, it won’t be the same it will be worse. It’s like Latinos pretending the outcome will be the same it’s like members of the LGBTQ community pretending the outcome will be the same. It’s demonstrably probable that the outcome will be worse here and there for all marginalized groups under Trump. I get being angry I just don’t understand lying to yourself and pretending the outcomes will be similar.
He man I'm just telling you what they think. You know where I'm at on this, but I'm not gonna yell at those people. We got plenty of people who actually need to be yelled at in this country that are openly trump voters
because they have a certain amount of privilege that allows them to separate themselves from the marginalized who will be hurt by a 2nd trump term.