2018-'19 B1G Basketball Thread: Nebrasketball!!!

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  1. Manny

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    Don't be weird. It is okay to admit that a guy that can't shoot the ball past 10 feet has heavily outplayed Winston each time they've played.
     
  2. Lipp

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    Even if that were true, that would mean he’s the better player? Weird take is weird.

    There is not a single person in the country (besides weirdo UM fans) that would say Simpson is better than Winston.
     
  3. MG2

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    It is my opinion that both Cassius Winston and Zavier Simpson are good at basketball.
     
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  4. Tug

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    I didn’t know who Zavier Simpson was until I read these posts this morning
     
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  5. nofatchildren

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    It is my opinion that neither of them are that good. Neither will have an NBA career that amounts to anything.

    They are good college players though.
     
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  6. portlandspartan

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    Yeah. But one is very good!!
     
  7. Joe Louis

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    It's just hard for M fans to take Winston that seriously after Z pantsed him twice last year :twocents:
     
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  8. StinkusP1nkus

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    I don't think Simpson's elite defense makes up for his woeful offense, so I wouldn't say he's "very good"
     
  9. pez

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    You probably had him confused with Xavier Simpson
     
  10. portlandspartan

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    Winston had subpar games in the two matchups last year but 1) you guys make it seem like he was absolutely terrible (he wasn’t) and 2) imply he and Simpson alone were reasons for UM winning (he wasn’t. MSU can blame truly atrocious games from Ward and Langford both times)
     
  11. portlandspartan

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    Yeah me either.
     
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  12. hood b. goode

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    MSU fans please come control your pet downy

    Thanks
     
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  13. Tug

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    I don’t know who that is either
     
  14. Tug

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    Suck our dicks
     
  15. Anison

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    Define “terrible.” He shot 6 of 17 (35%) from the field including just 1 of 7 from three and had six total assists in two games. I guess he scored 11 points in each so that pushes it from “terrible” to just “subpar”?
     
  16. hood b. goode

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    :notobamanotbad:
     
  17. MG2

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    I think Winston is better and it's easier to win with him as your PG than it is with Simpson.

    That said, Simpson's got some stuff about him off the court that boosts his value to Michigan, specifically, that probably makes UM fans overrate him a bit.
     
  18. Tug

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    Last year’s MSU team was very soft. I don’t think any of us were happy with it and had multiple complaints. They were definitely not ready to play in either game against M
     
  19. Lipp

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    Oh man. The Tum Tum argument.

    Now I’m really triggered.
     
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  20. M'ark Pepperonio

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    No, we will continue to encourage Vinegar Strokes as the leader of our fanbase.
     
  21. Anison

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    That’s fair. And I’m not knocking his talent overall to be clear - he’s clearly more talented than Simpson. Just pointing out that he was just as bad in those games as Langford and Ward (my recollection is that Bridges on the other hand showed up to play).
     
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  22. MG2

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    That comp is insulting to Simpson, IMO.
     
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  23. Constant

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    I for one support Vinegar Strokes in his never ending quest for suckage.
     
  24. Lipp

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    Spike Albrecht also outplayed Russ Smith in the 2013 championship. Therefore, Spike was a better player than Russ.
     
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  25. Constant

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    Waiting patiently for someone to post a gif of Moe making Ward fall down without being touched.
     
  26. Joe Louis

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    For a player of his caliber to be completely taken out of the game by Z's D was quite startling. And he did it twice ...
     
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  27. goblue31602

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    Finally, someone gets it.
     
  28. Tug

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    Bridges was disappointing last year. But that was on Izzo. Izzo also misused Jackson. It was a poorly coached team last year.
     
  29. ~ taylor ~

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    Winston's only deficiency is that he's not playing for a coach who demands toughness from his players, so he's not very tough. He'd be amazing if he had a coach like Beilein emphasizing defense and resiliency. Like maybe as good as Derrick Walton was.
     
  30. Lipp

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    If it happens this year, I’ll come back here and eat crow. Players have bad games. Three in a row would be quite the trend though.

    It just made me laugh because we’re talking about a potential first team all American and... Zavier Simpson.

    This convo has reminded me that UM fans have had a weird boner for Winston for a while tho and even promoted some narrative last year that they opted to take Simpson over him.
     
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  31. Lipp

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    Derrick Walton at the end of his last year was pretty stellar so I won’t take offense to that. I don’t think he was ever the playmaker Winston is though.
     
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  32. visa

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    That’s unfortunate. He’s a shithead
     
  33. Lipp

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  34. Constant

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    Ummm nope.

    The narrative you're thinking of is, Simpson was our "reach" consolation prize after losing out on Winston late in the game. It's great that he's worked out so well.
     
  35. Tug

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    I still don’t know who Zavier Simpson is
     
  36. Joe Louis

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    As some of us caucus with Vin for pro sports porpoises ...

    [​IMG]
     
  37. BleedinGreen

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    Went back and looked at the box scores and looks like Winston played ok in the tourney game but was ass in the conference one. If I were to point at any one thing for each loss, the first game was the Wagner masterpiece and the second was MSU foul trouble (Robinson shot 11 FTs!?!) and bad three point shooting (actually shot poorly from deep in both games).
     
  38. MG2

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    Bringing Tum Tum up at all compared to Simpson is kind of insulting to what Simpson has done at UM. I don't know anything about Tum Tum's off court stuff. My point was on the court, I don't think it's close.
     
  39. Lipp

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    I’m pretty sure it’s in the thread last year. It might have been a troll, but I member it.
     
  40. M'ark Pepperonio

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    God no, Tum Tum always sucked ass on the court. But he was supposedly the spiritual leader of that team last year. And we know now how that turned out.
     
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  41. Joe Louis

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    How much of it was "bad game" Winston vs Z taking his lunch money? If your argument was that Winston was off but not due to the absurd effort on D that Z puts forth, I think that is mistaken ...

    And leaving Z off the B1G 1st team all D list last season was criminal. I've never seen a PG impact the game on that end the way he does ...
     
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  42. Lipp

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    Re-read. I will never ever ever defend Tum Tum’s basketball skills. In fact, I often rooted for him to break both of his legs the last four years.

    I was simply responding to this part of your post:

    “That said, Simpson's got some stuff about him off the court that boosts his value to Michigan, specifically, that probably makes UM fans overrate him a bit.”
     
  43. Joe Louis

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    At least as good on D (I would argue better than Tum) and certainly better at getting the hoop and passing, handling the ball. Z is by no means a great offensive player nor is he a net negative (which is what I would classify Tum as on O) ...
     
  44. Lipp

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    Agreed.

    I would just have it as Winston >>> Simpson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>!!!!!!>>>>> Tum Tum.
     
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  45. Joe Louis

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    I think he's just trying to say Z has been invaluable as a tone setter for the program these last two seasons. Everything on D feeds off his mentality ...
     
  46. Tug

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    You never watched Tum Tum?
     
  47. Constant

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    Tum Tum was apparently some kind of spiritual guru for the MSU players, and has taken that knack to the NBA.

    Simpson is more like the alpha dog in a pit bull pen.
     
  48. MG2

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    I get that, but I think you're misunderstanding what I mean on that. Simpson is almost universally credited by those in the UM program as being as big a reason as any for the change to becoming a tough, elite defensive team the last couple years. I think there's a personality element that Simpson possesses that makes him specifically valuable to Michigan in a way he might not be elsewhere.

    I'm not talking about some made up off court stuff. It's obvious if you watch a Michigan game who the leader of that team is, and I think it's understandable why some UM fans would overrate that considering the success UM has had during this stretch.
     
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  49. Constant

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    You keep saying that like you're making some kind of awesome point rather than just reinforcing your ignorance.
     
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  50. Tug

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    I get it now, he’s Michigan’s Tum Tum