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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by teel, Mar 29, 2018.
NL should secede
NL should hold tight until the AL secedes. Fuck them.
the DH issue needs a John Brown moment
manny with his first home run as a padre tonight (before the skies opened up in AZ). i know its just spring training and i know we still have a lot of holes (starting pitching being the biggest), but I'm getting excited about the padres again this year based on what they're doing in AZ.
while i agree with the general concept, the NL is too committed to saving baseball unfortunately. we have to make it work and stay in this emotionless marriage for the sake of the kids (baseball fans everywhere)
Imagine how much more the NL could save baseball with a DH though
Have we discussed the 37 yr old throwing 98?
Just now reading this. Lmao at the one scout who was so fucking bad at his job that he had a negative 0.6 correlation on his OFP and MLB production.
Cool story, didn't hear of it. Also this part is most interesting to me.
I'd love to see who he shaped up with. Obviously with that velocity it's not far fetched, just kind of cool to know that data.
Yea the whole thing is awesome. He was working with young pitchers and using the advanced data of spin rate and shit like that. Saw his stuff matched some big leaguers and was like "shit I can do this" and now he's in camp.
That guy is a better Jim Morris.
could get used to this lineup
Pretty easy to win games when the other team doesnt even put a team on the field... jeeez.
Can you use a dh in high school ball in the South? In NL areas
As if the AL Central is addicted to opioids
Rosenthal: Baseball’s confusing trade deadline rule is about to change. Here’s the potential fallout
By Ken Rosenthal Mar 13, 2019 77
OK, now that baseball is about to abolish August trades, raise your hand if you understood how teams made those infamous waiver deals of yesteryear.
Fans? Reporters? Players? Anyone?
Didn’t think so.
The switch to a single non-waiver deadline on July 31, which according to sources will be among the rules changes Major League Baseball and the players’ union adopt this season, will eliminate the indecipherable trade waivers in August, baseball’s version of the U.S. tax code.
The idea, first proposed by the union, is to protect the competitive integrity of the 162-game regular season, create more certainty for players and force teams to decide earlier whether they are buyers or sellers.
Late-season salary dumps no longer will be possible. Nor will big additions with a month remaining on the schedule. Build your roster during the winter. Adjust at the deadline. Then play.
How all this will work in practice, however, remains to be seen.
Things will be simpler without reporters trying to find out which players are on confidential trade waivers, executives withholding the names to avoid fines and fans and players attempting to sort through the maze of claims, blocks and pullbacks – a process described by one GM as “old, outdated and weird.”
But another general manager labeled the pending change a “huge mistake,” warning of unintended consequences and saying if baseball is going to switch from two trade deadlines to one, it should move the date from July 31 to mid-August.
Playing the final two months without the ability to fill holes through trades is too risky for contending clubs, the GM said. Teams that suffer a rash of injuries at one position – say, catcher – might be forced to promote a minor leaguer who does not belong in a pennant race.
Teams that fall out of the race, on the other hand, will be left with only one way to pivot if they want to create openings for younger players – by releasing veterans and paying off their remaining salaries instead of shifting at least part of the financial burden to the acquiring team in a trade.
Some drama will be lost as well.
While trades before the non-waiver deadline occurred more frequently than those after it, a number of memorable deals happened during the August waiver period. Justin Verlander to the Astros in 2017 and the Dodgers-Red Sox blockbuster in ‘12 were the biggest in recent years, while Josh Donaldson, Andrew McCutchen, Curtis Granderson and David Freese were among the prominent players who joined eventual postseason qualifiers last August.
The flip side is that the new, one-size-fits-all deadline will be the last chance for contenders to acquire coveted pieces from outside their organization, making the countdown to July 31 even more frenzied and compelling.
In 2018, teams made 48 trades in July leading to the non-waiver deadline and 24 in August leading to the deadline for setting postseason rosters. An even greater number of July trades is likely under the new rule, but many of the deals will be smaller moves by contenders seeking to add complementary parts for depth. Such veterans will offer buyers protection against injury, and their arrivals likely will create the first victims of the system – young players with minor-league options, who will become more vulnerable to demotions in August.
Those players, most in the 0-to-3-year service category, can return when rosters expand in September. Other 0-to-3 types – those with sellers – will benefit, replacing veterans who are traded. The new rules on roster size, starting in 2020, will strike a similar balance. While rosters in September will reduce from 40 players to 28, they will increase from 25 to 26 in the first five months, sources say.
Sounds reasonable enough. But baseball should not stop there.
In certain cases, the absence of trades after July 31 might make teams more inclined to promote hot prospects, which in turn should make the owners more inclined to address service-time manipulation. MLB and the union recently exchanged proposals on that topic but tabled the matter and other economic concerns until a separate discussion that is expected to take place after Opening Day.
As a hypothetical, consider the Brewers’ top prospect, second baseman Keston Hiura. If, after the single July 31 deadline, the Brewers lose their new second baseman, Mike Moustakas, to a significant injury, they will be unable to trade for a replacement. At that point, it would be counter-productive for them to delay Hiura’s arrival in order to gain an extra year of control before he reaches free agency. But under the current system, that temptation still would exist.
The conversation about service-time manipulation must and will take place; virtually everyone in the industry recognizes the problem as a blight on the sport. The conversation about the new deadline is just starting, and as with every other debate in baseball, probably will not end anytime soon.
No adjustment would be perfect; pushing the deadline back to Aug. 15 would create different issues. Teams would have more time to assess where they stand, but less time for any acquisitions to make an impact. Teams also would be less willing to trade top prospects for a six-week rental, but more willing to take on the remaining, reduced portion of a big salary.
Under the new rule, with the last trades occurring on July 31, two types of contenders will be hurt most. The type that bolsters its depth through a series of additions in August, such as the Brewers did last season when they added Granderson, left-hander Gio Gonzalez and reliever Xavier Cedeño on the final day of the month. And the type that gets hit with multiple injuries and falls out of the race in August yet is unable to save money and/or acquire prospects by trading veteran talent.
Rashes of injuries indeed happen – remember the start of last season, when the Yankees lost four outfielders (Clint Frazier, Jacoby Ellsbury, Aaron Hicks and Billy McKinney) in a seven-day span? Teams will need to be proactive, perhaps overly proactive, creating options at different positions. They also will need to think twice about selling if they are on even the fringes of contention, knowing they would leave their fans with two months of meaningless baseball.
The fallout of the new rule will not be known until after it takes effect, but one thing is certain: The trade deadline will now be an actual deadline. If baseball was starting from scratch, it never would introduce anything that resembled the waiver period in August, with all of its Byzantine quirks. At least now the system will be coherent.
Goodbye, confusion. Hello, progress.
Without knowing a ton of the ramifications, I like having one trade deadline. Always seemed dumb that teams could stack their roster for the last month and playoffs.
updated my post
I don't think I'll ever figure out what that means
I love Voit. I think it's funny that marginal mlb players have their own branding and tshirt lines tho.
Bombs and doubles.
marginal Mlb player lol good one Trumy
Needs some lefties, I reccomend this guy
It’s why I always laugh at anonymous scout quotes these days. There’s a decent chance that scout fucking sucks at his job
love me some franchy
He's such a meathead.
I don't understand why Seattle would send JP Crawford to AAA. Just let him play.
It’s just controlling costs. I agree with you but it’s not to develop him, it’s strictly money.
I think we've officially jumped the shark on service time manipulation. Putting aside the "its not right for the player" thing, I'm not sure what is accomplished by a lot of this.
Doesn’t make sense on any level to me. It’s like a catcher arguing with the home plate ump or jerking off with a condom on.
Ha I still use a sock
Paddock taking on the angels tonight. He could potentially be the first pitcher to make his team/mlb debut on opening day in like 50 years (I may be off on that number, going to confirm now)*, but it will be interesting to see what the padres do.
not sure where "the sheriff" nickname comes from, but i like everything else about the tweet
White Sox also sent Jimenez down to the minors.
This stuff is getting changed in the next CBA, anyway. I don't get it. He should have been up last September and it's ultimately going to gain them nothing.
They'll get an extra year of control, right?
If the rules don't change, yes. But even then, unless they plan to keep him down until June, he's going to be a Super 2. They get the extra year, but he gets four years of arb. That means that, best case scenario and he's as good as they think he's going to be, he would just get paid $30m or more in arb instead of being a FA. If that doesn't happen because he's not on that level, he's an affordable FA you can resign.
I just don't think the upside to the service time stuff is as big as these teams seem to think.
Did I see Thor rocking a ponytail in a game today? Who is the last player to wear a ponytail in a game?
Ready to see Paddack and Luzardo called up
is this serious?
three batter minimum is a joke
Eloy didnt do himself any favors looking like shit this spring.
He has 26 PA's this spring. He has 456 PA's last season.
The Dominican-born slugger obliterated Double-A and Triple-A pitching in 2018, posting ridiculous slash lines of .317/.368/.556 and .355/.399/.597 at those respective levels.
Reading up on the new Fangraphs writers...
I guess there aren't Jay Jaffe's and Dan Szymborski's to hire every year.
Did they really need another writer from Viva El Birdos?
I probably wouldn't have been mad about the 3 batter thing a while ago, but I think I'm kind of in favor of it now. I think it's a reasonable way to curb the effectiveness of bullpens and deal with pace issues without forcing teams to play a specific style of play (like some people in media and baseball seemed to want).
I'd rather them ban playing your 3B in shallow right field than force bullpen arms to face a certain amount of batters personally.