***2018 MLB Thread: Angels reel in a big catch***

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  1. zeberdee

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    I think reducing the amount of warm up pitches that can be thrown from the mound and not going to commercial every time would be a more reasonable pace of play solution to that problem that this three batter minimum.
     
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  2. dblplay1212

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    Call me an old fart but I'm cool with it. Late games have gotten to be terrible with 3 pitchers in an inning. Slow walk to mound, chat for a second, motion to pen, RP takes his time walking from outfield to the mound, warm up pitches, and 7 minutes later we're back to action... only to do it again after that batter.
     
  3. jplaYa

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    It’s funny. Kapler’s head probably exploded when he found he couldn’t use 3 relievers for 3 outs.

    Secretly ownership and upper management were probably thrilled.
     
  4. Rammer Jammer

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    They are also cutting commercials to 2 minutes. I dont like the 3 batter min. but I don’t hate it.
     
  5. poor paul

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    I don't. There just aren't that many guys who come in for 1-2 batters anymore.
     
  6. JRodMK1

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    Change isn't in my nature but I like most of these new rule changes. LOOGY's will really be hurt by the new 3-batter rule and I can understand both sides of the coin, but this has to help pace of play.

    Not that the Derby is in a bad place right now with the new rules, but adding a $1 million bonus to the winner will really bring out some of the younger guys in the game who haven't gotten a contract yet. Gallo has already come out and said he wants in. His base salary this year in $680,000.
     
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  7. dblplay1212

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    Cool. It won't have much affect then.
     
  8. dblplay1212

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    Agree on the Derby. It'll be fun to watch if they get the young stars to play. That's almost double their yearly salary so it's a big deal to them.
     
  9. JRodMK1

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    One thing I haven't seen addressed... what will happen if a team says a pitcher is 'injured' after one batter and replaced? There has to be some sort of stipulation that if you are removed due to injury, you can't pitch the next 2 games or something of that nature.
     
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  10. poor paul

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    agreed
     
  11. MG2

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    I'm assuming that, if a pitcher is removed under those circumstances, a trip to the DL is a must.
     
  12. zeberdee

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    IL* you insensitive jerk.
     
  13. MG2

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    Even in that scenario, it's a minimum of 2 minutes, and usually more.

    Baseball the one major pro sports where everyone on the field waits for a substitute to enter a game and warm up before actually getting back to the action. I don't think it's unreasonable for MLB to try to curb the number of times that happens, As far as potential drawbacks go, I think this has the lowest downside. Especially since the minimum doesn't apply to pitchers who finish the inning, which adds some level of strategy to it.
     
  14. MG2

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    Apparently the players didn't agree to the 3-batter minimum thing. I'm confused now.
     
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  15. zeberdee

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    can't Manfred do it without their approval?
     
  16. bro

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    I don't mind it but think they should not apply it to MLB until 2022-2023 or something like that. Allows teams to adjust their rosters
     
  17. dblplay1212

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    idk if a trip to the IL is necessary but there needs to be something in place to make sure it's legit. It may be something as minor as a blister and he can be back in 3-4 days. idk how MLB can go about making sure it's legit though.
     
  18. MG2

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    He can, but he's been unwilling to do that with the pitch clock, which has been his big thing, for several years.

    Also seems weird if he's implementing that without the union on the same day he's announcing this agreement with the union and celebrating some level of cooperation with them.
     
  19. Trofie

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    Get the big guns in the derby.
     
  20. Truman

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    Best Writers in Baseball.
     
  21. SC

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    So the MLBPA gave away ~12 roster spots in September per team and still couldn't fight Manfred on the 3-batter rule? Fire Tony Clark into the sun.
     
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  22. dblplay1212

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    If both are good for the game, does Clark have to fight them just bc they aren't good for the players?
     
  23. MG2

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    I'm captain of Team Fire Tony Clark into the Sun, but I think the players did pretty well here. I don't think the September thing is that big of a deal if they're adding 30 MLB jobs for 5 months of the year. The 40 man thing never made sense.
     
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  24. SC

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    Idk, that's a lot of guys not getting paid shit in the minors that now aren't getting a prorated month of MLB minimum salary. The 30 new jobs is good for the MLB veteran, but minor league vets getting the shaft here again. And I realize Clark doesn't rep them, but still.
     
  25. SC

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    I'm not sure I understand your question.
     
  26. Truman

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    Yes? It's his job to fight for the players' interests. :idk:

    although as MG2 said it's not necessarily a bad move for the players.
     
  27. dblplay1212

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    You said "He gave them X and couldn't Y? Fire him!" But what if both were good for the game? Does he still have to fight them? I think both sides should work together to make the game as good as it can be.
     
  28. SC

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    Well considering the 3 batter rule was implemented without the MLBPA's consent, the "both sides should work together" deal is out the window on that one, no?
     
  29. MG2

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    The overwhelming majority of the guys who get called up in September to fill those rosters are already on the 40 man, and they make a lot more than MiLBers off the 40 man (I think it's at least $40k). Yes, it's a nice payday for those players, but I think the overall money spent on the extra player throughout the year will mean more. It's still going up to 28 in September.
     
  30. dblplay1212

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    He represents the players but that doesn't mean he has to be against every move that's bad for the players if they are good for the game.
     
  31. MG2

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    I think Clark and the players have been stupid about how they've gone about these negotiations dating back to last year. I think Manfred should institute a pitch clock and do whatever he wants in these areas, and to be honest, I don't think the players should even have much of a voice when it comes to a lot of this stuff (obviously, things like roster sizes are different).

    The fact that MLB is engaging the union on this stuff at all tells me Manfred is terrified of a work stoppage and is doing his best to try to give them as many wins as possible. Unfortunately, Clark has been so bad at his job that I'm not sure he even knows what a win is at this point.
     
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  32. dblplay1212

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    The MLBPA needs to push hard to overhaul the 6 years of control, especially the first 3 years at the minimum. Idk what the answer is bc baseball is so different from the other major sports but 3 years at league minimum is beyond dumb.
     
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  33. MG2

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    The most fascinating thing about the next negotiations is going to be what the players actually want here. I could see there being a big divide in the union between pushing for young guys to get paid, and then the old guys who didn't get paid what they thought they should fighting to get what they think they're owed.

    I actually think the sides negotiating this stuff now is bad for the players because I really doubt they've figured this stuff out yet.
     
  34. poor paul

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    6 years control, 3 at league minimum, also we're going to fuck with your service time when we call you up and you will get paid practically nothing until you get to MLB.
     
  35. zeberdee

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    why not just start the control clock as soon as the guy signs, regardless of level?

    maybe they years have to be different for international, high school or college? maybe it's something that can be negotiated in the initial contract?
     
  36. bwi2

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    I’m like 70% certain that he doesn’t represent minor leaguers
     
  37. dblplay1212

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  38. dblplay1212

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    Like I said, I don't know what the answer is. There just has to be something for a kid like Acuna or Judge that bust on the scene as a rookie and would be making $25m+ this year if he were a FA this offseason. I'm not saying they should be a FA's but they should be making more than the minimum. There should be a way for those type guys to make a few million, at least. And 6 years is too long. It should be 3-4 years max and then they become a FA.
     
  39. dblplay1212

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    I think that's the biggest issue. I'd love to see a breakdown of the players to see how many are on rookie deals and how many are on vet deals. The vets are the stars and they have the most pull. If they are greedy about it, there won't be any change. The only way things change is if the vets take a trim to give back to the young guys and I'm not sure that's going to happen.
     
  40. MG2

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    The vets have already taken a trim from what it was before, and doing this would be entering further into the unkown for them.

    It sucks for them, but the reality is the league isn't going backwards. The union is going to have to accept that, no matter what it does, teams aren't going to start paying players in their 30s what they once did. Based on the rhetoric I've read over the last 15 months, I'm just not sure they've come to that realization yet. Especially considering this recent turn in the market caught them by complete surprise, even though everyone else saw it coming.
     
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  41. electronic

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    The M’s have named Felix as the 5th starter. On the one hand, Felix sucks now, so obviously. On the other hand, the organization has admitted that they aren’t trying to compete this year, so why not have the best pitcher in the history of your pathetic franchise pitch in opening day?
     
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  42. dblplay1212

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    Satchel Paige pitched at 58 so I guess Randy can go at 55.
     
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  43. electronic

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    Arod is the best shortstop to ever play for the Yankees.
     
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  44. dblplay1212

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    Arod had 2 AB's as a SS for the Yankees.
     
  45. poor paul

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    Randy Johnson is the best pitcher to ever play for the Mariners.

    Felix Hernandez is the best pitcher who was mostly or completely a Mariner.

    This seems like the correct way to address that. Calling either the best pitcher in Mariners history could be correct.
     
  46. Luka

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    still the best
     
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  47. Cornelius Suttree

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    I am not ashamed to say I teared up when reading the Jeff Sullivan departure post

    probably would have cried if I had known one of their new contributors was going to be a HS senior

    one sounds really interesting at least, Octavaio Hernandez. Their intro on him says his mission is to help get Latin American baseball on board with advanced stats. Neat
     
  48. IanC

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    He's been a guest on Effectively Wild, he'll be pretty good
     
  49. Joe Louis

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    Severino out till May :ohdear:
     
  50. dblplay1212

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    Lovely.