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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Celemo, Jun 24, 2018.
a total fucking dick?
If it was Klay I would have invited him in to get his goatee done.
I mean considering his reputation and him probably not wanting to draw attention to himself he was fine.
It’s going to be an exciting 2018-19 for the Bulls, they’ll sign a couple of middle of the pack players, overpay LaVine, draft at the end of the lottery, retain Gar/Pax....woo I can’t wait.
Blessed be the fruit
Did he kick you in the groin or brick a three pointer?
Wow man didn't know you were a handmaid. Ts and Ps
Orlando waives Shelvin Mack to sace 5M today. He led the team in assists last year.
The second Lance era in Indy may have already come to an end. Legitimately sad about it, even though Lance is obviously a flawed player. The emotion he could generate at home games was pretty unique, and a guy like Will Barton or Tyreke Evans can't come close to duplicating it. Can't help but think that this is the first step in tearing down the Pacers' awesome chemistry from last year.
With Thad Young likely turning down his player option, add the Pacers to the list of teams that could have a very interesting 2-3 weeks here. They can easily push beyond $35 million in cap space if they want/need to.
anyone? Shawn Hunter
When Bron leaves I'm hoping we sell off everything and try to match our 26 game losing streak from 2010.
My Nuggets are probably at worst the 3rd seed in the West.
Please learn how to properly post an image and try again, buddy.
What do you mean? I didn’t try to post an image.
Wow you're really down on the Nuggets
1. LeBron James
Projected three-year WARP: 47.8
At some point, LeBron will surely feel the effects of age, and SCHOENE forecasts him gradually declining from his incredible age-33 performance. Still, James tops the group of potential 2018 free agents even in 2020-21, the final year of my projections.
2017-18 RPM: +5.0 | 2017-18 WARP: 21.7
2. Kevin Durant
Golden State Warriors
Projected three-year WARP: 42.8
After taking a pay cut last season to help the Warriors manage their luxury-tax bill, Durant can sign a four-year deal at the max this season if he declines his player option. At 29, Durant is projected to remain about as effective over the next three seasons as he was in helping lead the Warriors to a second consecutive championship.
2017-18 RPM: +3.6 | 2017-18 WARP: 14.3
3. Nikola Jokic
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Projected three-year WARP:41.7
The Nuggets declined Jokic's team option over the weekend, costing them a huge amount next season but ensuring they can match any offer to their promising center as a restricted free agent.
Jokic would have made just $1.5 million in the final season of perhaps the NBA's most team-friendly contract, but if Denver had picked up his option, Jokic would have been unrestricted next summer. So the Nuggets will deal with a potential luxury-tax bill this season to avoid that risk.
Even with my adjustment to replacement level at center, Jokic still projects as an elite player. In addition to his terrific box score stats, Jokic has consistently rated well in ESPN's real plus-minus because Denver's weak defense typically gets even worse with Jokic on the bench. Add in Jokic's age and he projects ahead of much more accomplished veteran stars.
2017-18 RPM: +6.0 | 2017-18 WARP: 11.3
4. Chris Paul
Projected three-year WARP: 36.8
Paul's age and injury history are concerns over the life of the five-year deal the Rockets could potentially offer him this season after acquiring him via trade a year ago. Within the three-year window I'm projecting, however, he looks likely to retain most of his value. Paul's 2020-21 projection drops to only fifth among this year's free agents.
2017-18 RPM: +7.0 | 2017-18 WARP: 11.3
5. Paul George
Oklahoma City Thunder
Projected three-year WARP: 33.3
An All-NBA third-team pick, George was productive with the Thunder despite a predictable decline in his usage rate. Having turned 28 after season's end, he should remain an All-Star-caliber player through at least the next three seasons.
2017-18 RPM: +2.9 | 2017-18 WARP: 11.3
6. Tyreke Evans
Projected three-year WARP: 23.4
On a per-game basis, Evans ranked in the league's top 20 in WARP during the best season of his career, which was shortened to 52 games by minor injuries that were useful to a Memphis team focused on draft positioning. Stellar 40 percent 3-point shooting at 5.5 attempts per game -- both career highs -- was transformational, but Evans is at 39 percent over the past three seasons, so teams shouldn't fear much regression.
2017-18 RPM: +3.5 | 2017-18 WARP: 8.1
7. DeMarcus Cousins
New Orleans Pelicans
Projected three-year WARP: 23.1
Cousins' projection is adjusted for the history of players performing worse than otherwise expected coming off an Achilles rupture, which ended his 2017-18 season before the All-Star break. Despite this adjustment, Cousins still figures to perform around an All-Star level the next two seasons. Similar players declined sharply at age 30, which Cousins will hit in 2020-21.
2017-18 RPM: +3.7 | 2017-18 WARP: 7.2
8. Clint Capela
Projected three-year WARP: 20.7
Nikola Jokic will almost certainly re-sign quickly with the Nuggets, leaving Capela as the best restricted free agent realistically available. Because of Houston's luxury-tax concerns, there's some chance an aggressive offer sheet could land him. More likely, the Rockets will match because Capela's ability as a roll man and switch-capable rim protector is ideal for their system at each end.
2017-18 RPM: +2.1 | 2017-18 WARP: 8.1
9. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Los Angeles Lakers
Projected three-year WARP: 19.5
Finding the market cool last summer even after the Detroit Pistons made him an unrestricted free agent, Caldwell-Pope took a one-year deal with the Lakers to try his luck again this summer. While the tight market will work against him, Caldwell-Pope did his part, making a career-high 38 percent of his 3s to solidify himself as the top 3-and-D player on the market this summer. Caldwell-Pope is a career 35 percent 3-point shooter, so that improvement might prove unsustainable, but at 25, he has time to continue to hone his skills.
2017-18 RPM: +0.6 | 2017-18 WARP: 5.6
10. Will Barton
Projected three-year WARP: 18.3
One of the NBA's premier bench scorers, Barton averaged a career-high 15.7 points last season, fourth best among players who started fewer than half of their games and appeared in at least 10. (Barton narrowly qualified in the former category, starting 40 games.) He has become a reasonably efficient scorer in Denver, having developed into an above-average 3-point shooter, and is a passable defender as compared to many high-scoring sixth men.
2017-18 RPM: +0.7 | 2017-18 WARP: 6.6
11. Marcus Smart
Projected three-year WARP: 18.3
Though Smart has never developed into the kind of offensive player the Celtics thought they were getting with the sixth pick in 2014, shooting 29 percent on 3s for his career and playing as often off the ball as at point guard, he has proved indispensable nonetheless because of his rugged defense.
The multiyear version of RPM puts Smart's defensive impact among the top 10 guards, which has kept him on the court in the playoffs when other non-shooters would be glued to the bench. Boston's growing payroll could make a large offer sheet to Smart painful, though he's also a candidate to take his qualifying offer and try for a big deal again next summer.
2017-18 RPM: +1.0 | 2017-18 WARP: 2.0
12. Aaron Gordon
Projected three-year WARP: 17.9
After an ill-fated stint at small forward, Gordon settled in at the 4 last season and averaged a career-high 17.6 points and 7.9 rebounds. The youngest player among the top 30 free agents, Gordon has plenty more upside to explore if he can extend last season's improvement from a sub-30 percent 3-point shooter to hitting an adequate 34 percent on nearly six attempts per game. Gordon also is capable of making more defensive impact than we saw last season on an Orlando team going nowhere.
2017-18 RPM: +0.7 | 2017-18 WARP: 3.4
13. Fred VanVleet
Projected three-year WARP: 16.7
A finalist for the NBA's Sixth Man Award, to be announced Monday night, VanVleet was the driving force in the Raptors' bench broskis emerging as the NBA's best second unit. Toronto played so well with VanVleet on the court, either running the bench at point guard or alongside starter Kyle Lowry, that RPM rated him the league's 10th-best point guard. VanVleet's size (listed at 6 feet) could be an issue as a full-time starter, but he's at least a high-level backup -- and the Raptors' tax issues could prevent them from matching a big offer to the restricted free agent.
2017-18 RPM: +3.4 | 2017-18 WARP: 4.6
14. Kyle Anderson
San Antonio Spurs
Projected three-year WARP: 15.1
Quietly, the former No. 30 overall pick affectionately known as "Slow Mo" had a strong season filling in for Kawhi Leonard at small forward. Anderson made an impressive 56 percent of his 2-point attempts and is an above-average rebounder and playmaker for his position who also piles up steals and blocks. With Leonard's future in doubt, the Spurs will want to bring back Anderson on a long-term deal.
2017-18 RPM: +3.1 | 2017-18 WARP: 4.6
15. JJ Redick
Projected three-year WARP: 13.6
Redick passed on longer-term deals last summer in favor of a lavish, one-year, $23 million contract with the Sixers, helping them reach the second round of the playoffs. Now things get more complicated for Redick, who could be sacrificed if Philadelphia uses its cap space to sign a younger starter on the wing. Redick's best hope is the 76ers striking out on top free agents and hoping to try again in 2019, which could net him another large, one-year deal.
2017-18 RPM: +0.6 | 2017-18 WARP: 5.5
16. Elfrid Payton
Projected three-year WARP: 12.7
It's a bad sign for Payton's foray into restricted free agency that the Magic were able to get only the 41st pick in last week's draft for him at the trade deadline. Perhaps interested suitors besides Phoenix preferred to wait and make a run at him this summer without giving up anything in return. They might not have to worry about the Suns matching an offer sheet; Scott Bordow of the Arizona Republic reported over the weekend Phoenix is likely to renounce Payton's rights, which would make him an unrestricted free agent.
2017-18 RPM: -2.1 | 2017-18 WARP: 3.3
17. Isaiah Thomas
Los Angeles Lakers
Projected three-year WARP: 12.6
No player has seen his value decrease more in the past year than Thomas, who played no better than replacement level after returning from a hip labrum tear and underwent season-ending surgery in March. Though Thomas should be healthy before training camp, teams can't count on getting the All-Star point guard we saw in Boston. And if Thomas isn't that player, his high-usage style and small stature make him a tough fit. As with Redick, his best hope is the Lakers missing out on top free agents and electing to bring him back on a one-year deal.
2017-18 RPM: -4.2 | 2017-18 WARP: -0.1
18. Trevor Ariza
Projected three-year WARP: 12.3
This projection might undervalue Ariza, who was last seen helping hold Durant in check during the Western Conference finals. I'd trust him to win a game tomorrow over most of the players ahead of him on this list, but the long-term outlook for Ariza is not as positive as he heads into his mid-30s. Players similar to Ariza, including Houston predecessor Shane Battier, tended not to retain much value by their age-35 season, so a short-term contract makes sense for Ariza.
2017-18 RPM: +1.7 | 2017-18 WARP: 3.3
19. Zach LaVine
Projected three-year WARP: 11.4
Coming back from a torn ACL and playing a larger role than he had with the Minnesota Timberwolves, LaVine predictably struggled last season, making 34 percent of his 3s and a career-low 41 percent of his 2s. While we should expect LaVine to shoot better going forward, that performance might have been cause for concern in Chicago. ESPN's Nick Friedell indicated last week that the Bulls are not certain they'd match an offer sheet to the restricted free agent, which contrasts from the usual bluster we hear from teams looking to scare off suitors.
2017-18 RPM: -3.3 | 2017-18 WARP: 0.7
20. Yogi Ferrell
Projected three-year WARP: 11.3
Ferrell rates this high largely because of how well the Mavericks played with him on the court last season, outscoring opponents by 0.5 points per 100 possessions according to NBA Advanced Stats as compared to a minus-7.7 net rating with Ferrell on the bench.
He's a strong 3-point shooter (38 percent career) who can capably run an offense, making Ferrell a good target for teams in need of a reliable backup. Though Rick Carlisle loves playing lineups with multiple ball handlers, Dallas' drafting Jalen Brunson in the second round last week could be an indication Ferrell is expendable in the pursuit of a starting center through free agency.
2017-18 RPM: +1.1 | 2017-18 WARP: 1.5
21. DeAndre Jordan
Projected three-year WARP: 10.7
Jordan is hit hard by the adjustment to center value, though he still rated as a solid starter last season. The other issue projecting ahead is that similar centers who have relied heavily on their athleticism, such as Tyson Chandler and Dwight Howard, have typically lost value quickly in their early 30s. I'd be reluctant to sign Jordan to a long-term contract.
2017-18 RPM: +0.6 | 2017-18 WARP: 6.9
22. Enes Kanter
New York Knicks
Projected three-year WARP: 9.8
Having not yet decided on his player option, Kanter would have a difficult time matching the $18.6 million he's scheduled to make on the open market despite a solid season in New York. Kanter proved more valuable than Carmelo Anthony in 2017-18, the season after they were traded for each another, averaging a double-double (14.1 points, 11.0 rebounds) and playing somewhat better defense than he had in Oklahoma City.
2017-18 RPM: -0.1 | 2017-18 WARP: 6.8
23. Rodney Hood
Projected three-year WARP: 9.1
Hood's audition for free agency during the playoffs went disastrously, as he fell out of the Cavaliers' rotation after playing ineffectually in the first two rounds and refusing to play garbage time in Game 4 of Cleveland's win over Toronto.
Hood redeemed his postseason to some extent with solid play off the bench in the last two games of the NBA Finals, and he's skilled for a 6-foot-8 wing. However, Hood's poor defensive statistics mean he has never rated as well by advanced stats as his offensive ability would suggest.
2017-18 RPM: -4.2 | 2017-18 WARP: 2.1
24. Jusuf Nurkic
Portland Trail Blazers
Projected three-year WARP: 9.0
Nurkic's first full season in Portland was uneven. He was unable to carry over the success as a playmaker he enjoyed after the 2017 trade deadline, and his .528 true shooting percentage was poor for a starting center. The results were better on D, where Nurkic helped the Blazers protect the rim at an elite rate and post a top-10 defensive rating.
Given the limited value of centers in free agency, that performance probably won't be worth what the ultraconfident Nurkic expects. Taking the one-year qualifying offer would be a good compromise for both player and team, since Portland would save in terms of luxury tax.
2017-18 RPM: +1.8 | 2017-18 WARP: 2.3
25. Montrezl Harrell
Projected three-year WARP: 8.1
Dealt to the Clippers as part of the return for Chris Paul, Harrell averaged an impressive 23.3 points per 36 minutes on 64 percent shooting. Though he has limited range, Harrell proved surprisingly capable of playing power forward alongside DeAndre Jordan, giving teams confidence he's more than just a center. He should be a prime target for teams shopping for a backup big man with their midlevel exception.
2017-18 RPM: +0.7 | 2017-18 WARP: 4.4
26. Shabazz Napier
Portland Trail Blazers
Projected three-year WARP: 7.9
On his third team, Napier developed into a solid backup point guard. The Blazers particularly benefited from Napier's ability to play off the ball alongside Damian Lillard or CJ McCollum and sometimes both in tiny lineups that were the team's most successful trios. Napier made 38 percent of his 3s to space the floor for Portland's higher-scoring guards.
2017-18 RPM: +0.4 | 2017-18 WARP: 3.1
27. Wayne Ellington
Projected three-year WARP: 7.8
Playing the Ray Allen role in Erik Spoelstra's offense, Ellington enjoyed a career season in 2016-17 at age 29 and then beat it last season at 30. He ranked sixth in the NBA by making 227 3-pointers -- at a 39 percent clip. Ellington is a poor defender and doesn't offer much else besides shooting, but the attention he attracted running through screens helped the Miami offense average 3.9 more points per 100 possessions with him on the court, according to NBA Advanced Stats.
2017-18 RPM: -0.4 | 2017-18 WARP: 5.4
28. Jabari Parker
Projected three-year WARP: 7.7
Four years removed from being the No. 2 overall pick, Parker is one of the most intriguing free agents on the market. In that span, Parker overcame an ACL tear to develop into a 20-point scorer in 2016-17 only to tear the same ACL again.
In his partial season after the injury, Parker saw his offensive numbers remain relatively similar and even made a career-high 38 percent of his 3s. However, Parker -- never a good defender before the injuries -- struggled to keep up with opponents, which limited his playing time.
It sounds as if Parker and the Bucks, dealing with tax issues, might be ready for a separation. But that could depend on Parker finding a team with cap space that still views him as a long-term starter.
2017-18 RPM: -2.9 | 2017-18 WARP: 1.4
29. Joe Harris
Projected three-year WARP: 7.0
After playing sparingly in two seasons in Cleveland, Harris found an offense that valued his shooting in Brooklyn and has made 41 percent of his 3s the past two seasons as a key reserve. As compared to Wayne Ellington, Harris isn't nearly as high volume a 3-point shooter (4.6 attempts per game last season), but he offers a slightly broader skill set and is younger.
2017-18 RPM: -0.7 | 2017-18 WARP: 3.3
30. Avery Bradley
Projected three-year WARP: 6.9
Like Isaiah Thomas, Bradley found life more difficult away from Boston. Traded to Detroit to pave the way for signing Gordon Hayward, Bradley struggled offensively because his accuracy on long 2s slipped and he failed to make much impact on defense. Bradley went to the Clippers in the Blake Griffin trade but played only six games in L.A. before abdominal surgery ended his season.
Because Bradley is a weaker team defender than he is one-on-one, he has never rated particularly well by advanced stats. It's likely some team will talk itself into Bradley being a valuable role player, and that could work depending on the fit.
2017-18 RPM: -2.7 | 2017-18 WARP: -1.6
Nuggets didn't even make the playoffs and now they are at worst the 3rd best team in the conference?
Sounds right to me
Thread title is very strong. As a casual NBA fan, this will likely conclude my posting in this thread. Thank you and goodnight.
Celemo Kendall needs to step it up
So they're going to make the same exact leap Philadelphia made this year? And that New Orleans was one win from making this year?
And what high quality players have Denver added to their roster to justify such a claim? Porter might not even play this year.
An extra year of growth on the freakishly skilled athletes they already have. JJ Redick was the only impactful free agent Philly added, and look what happened with just the kids growing up. It's clear as day what's going on in Denver.
According to my Google machine, LeBron is not currently on the Nuggets roster.
but he could be
Ben Simmons, their second best player, was also a rookie last year. That's kind of a big deal.
Yeah, he had a year of growth from his previous year in the NBA. I thought you'd be happy for Trey Lyles and Jamal Murray, this is disappointing
Pretty clear the nuggets are at worst the 3rd best team in the west
And he didn't play the year he got drafted. That's basically the equivalent of adding a marquee free agent.
Seems like we do this every offseason with Denver
Nuggets finished 3 games below the 3 seed last year fwiw
So not really that big of a leap
Look around duc, only shawn is on your side. Are you sure this is where you want to be
It’s like an aHa video
i hate change
To finish 3rd? No
To say that’s their floor? Yeah it’s a huge leap considering we haven’t even gone through FA yet.
Yeah, things could still get even better for them
You guys do have a rich history of signing people hobbled by crippling Achilles injuries
I don’t work for any front offices. I’m not sure what you mean.
I think that's all been pretty tongue in cheek. The West is likely going to be another blood bath next year. Only teams that really have floors are Houston and Golden State
still in better shape than the Thunder
sounds like the Pacers want to add Will Barton and/or Tyreke Evans
Denver’s new unis alone are guaranteed at least +6 wins this year
Where are you seeing this?
couple of different twitter accounts, I'll see if I can find them again