2019-20 NBA Thread: H-O-R-S-E

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  1. JohnLocke

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    Butler just speaks his mind. I think at times he can be a douche but I think he's a cool dude for the most part. Just a strong personality clearly
     
  2. JohnLocke

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  3. Joe_Pesci

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    It just seems like he has a low tolerance for bullshit, which I respect. He was also basically a nobody coming out of high school and now he's one of the best basketball players on the planet. Not many people have the mindset to do something like that
     
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  4. poor paul

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    it was a really good listen and made me like butler quite a bit.
     
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  5. poor paul

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    laughed at Bucks

     
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  6. NCHusker88

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  7. am16401

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    Not knowing what all the other NBA owners do I wonder how many are taking as big a hit from covid as Mickey Anderson.
     
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  8. ShuPoor

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    Arison
     
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  9. am16401

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    Lol stupid autocorrect
     
  10. Mikelangelo

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    I don't think Stan has any human emotion, just some robot focused on the bottom line at all times.
     
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  11. All_Luck

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  12. Josey Wales

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    Lol and then he matched up against Embiid.

    Most of the league was definitely ending up with covid had they played a couple more games.
     
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  13. ShuPoor

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  14. ShuPoor

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    Let's all get lit
     
  15. Daddy Rabbit

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    I feel this may be a :in-n-out:question/scenario for bringing it up, but how would you feel if this pandemic pushes the league schedule back a few months going forward.

    Have the Finals in August right before football kicks off in 2021. Start the season in December maybe?
     
  16. Fudd Bezos

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  17. Nandor the Relentless

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    I know there has been growing discussions of not starting the season until December on a regular basis so this kinda works out perfectly for them being able to do a trial run of that.
     
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  18. MG2

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    Pass on the basketball season going from Christmas-August.
     
  19. War Grundle

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    I like that idea as I dont pay much attention at all until college football and baseball playoffs are over.
     
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  20. Fusiontegra

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  21. Handcuffed

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    this is pretty cool

     
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  22. C A N E

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  23. Houndster

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    Is it wrong that I’m hoping one of the players is Kyrie?
     
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  24. Fusiontegra

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    I mean, it seems nearly impossible that he's not also anti-vax, right?
     
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  25. ShuPoor

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  26. Imurhuckleberry

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    It's crazy how this virus seems to be targeting mostly millionaires and those with political power.
     
  27. Imurhuckleberry

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    Athletic article on the subject. It's really nice to have a sports bureau that doesn't directly benefit from broadcasting the events and is allowed to be critical. Oh, and a nice stat. Oklahoma has tested 396 people total. Fuck sticks.

    The Warriors are one of the most valuable teams in the NBA. The leaders of their franchise are among the most recognizable in the sport, if not in all of sports. Yet, they can’t get tested for the novel coronavirus.

    Though they didn’t say the words, if their tone was an indicator during their conference call with reporters on Tuesday, general manager Bob Myers and coach Steve Kerr want their players to be tested. They want to know where they stand. But on this one, their fame doesn’t seem to matter. Their standing doesn’t benefit them from the same plight the rest of California is facing with the shortage of COVID-19 tests.

    “To be clear, ” Myers said, “we’re not any different than anybody.”

    That’s how it should be, or so it feels for us non-wealthy and un-famous. But that hasn’t been quite the case throughout the NBA. In other locations, it seems as if players are different than most everyone else. They can get tested, in scores, while most of the rest of America spends shelter-in-place time on social media enviously watching videos of people lining up for easily accessible tests in other countries.

    This is now a moral quandary, as scarcity tends to conjure. Who gets what they need and who doesn’t? Who is at the front of the line and how’d they get there? The NBA finds itself thrust into the middle of this country’s historically problematic relationship with equality. The league is not deciding who gets tested, as teams are handling such on their own with local health officials. But the league’s players seem to get tests at a rate much higher than the general public.

    Almost 60 Utah Jazz players and staffers were tested in Oklahoma City after Rudy Gobert’s positive test led to canceling the game against the Thunder; that testing led to teammate Donovan Mitchell’s positive test. Utah’s team and staffers were quarantined in Oklahoma City, along with the team’s traveling beat writers. The entire Toronto Raptors traveling party of at least 50 people was tested because the Raptors had played the Jazz twice recently. Tuesday, the Brooklyn Nets, who were scheduled to play the Warriors in an empty Chase Center last Thursday, revealed that four of their players tested positive for COVID-19. They were all tested on Saturday.

    One of the positive tests belonged to Kevin Durant, the NBA megastar and former Warrior, who confirmed his positive test to our national NBA writer Shams Charania but added that he was feeling fine.

    As a result of the Nets’ positive tests, the Los Angeles Lakers — who played the Nets in LA last Tuesday, the day before the NBA shut down the season — have exposure. On Wednesday, the Lakers will get tested for the coronavirus. The whole team. That’s 17 players, including the two on a two-way contract. That’s 10 coaches, including video coordinators. Nine athletic trainers. Eight broadcasters. Five doctors. Plus the public relations staff. The social media team. Whatever members of the ownership group were around on Tuesday. Safe to say that number should top 50 people.

    So, adding it all up, just those four teams alone who have had their whole traveling party examined — the Jazz, Raptors, Nets and Lakers — will constitute more than 200 tests administered. According to the COVID Tracking Project, as of 6:19 a.m. Pacific time Tuesday, the entire state of Arizona had tested a total of 228 people.

    Many Americans are making their way to hospitals, or at least calling their doctors, certain they have symptoms consistent with the novel coronavirus. Many who are young and healthy are being told to self-quarantine and ride it out, they’ll be fine. How are these teams getting their hands on so many tests on such short notice? Why aren’t NBA players, who have all the resources needed to recover, being told simply to self-quarantine because they are at low risk of serious danger?

    Shortly after launching the shutdown of sports globally by suspending its season, the NBA finds itself a beneficiary of systemic inequality and the prioritization of the wealthy and famous.

    It certainly doesn’t look good, commoners suffering through the uncertainty of the health care system while already-rich players and ridiculously wealthy teams get first dibs on the coveted tests. Truth is, this is how we expect it to go. All of this feels like a movie, and the plot wouldn’t be right without some corruption.

    Is it that simple? It sure seems that way. But there are layers to peel back. Let’s look at this.

    Who gets the tests, according to the CDC guidelines, is up to the judgment of the clinician. Since the tests are limited, the resident expert makes the call. In the case of the Jazz, it was deemed by the Oklahoma State Department of Health “a public health decision” to test the entire traveling party. Especially at the time, Oklahoma had low demand for testing. According to the COVID Tracking Project, the state has tested a total of 396 people even including the guests from Utah.

    So, presumably, the decision to test the Nets this week was up to doctors. According to ESPN, the Nets bought tests from a private company. For the record, there have been more COVID-19 deaths in New York than in California; Washington is the state that has had the most COVID-19 deaths, New York is second. The decision to test the Lakers in California should also be up to the doctors in conjunction with the public health officials. That would explain why the Warriors can’t get tested.

    California is one of the hardest hit by the pandemic. Six counties were placed under shelter-in-place orders this week in an effort to curb the spreading of the coronavirus, which is vital considering there aren’t enough tests around. It wouldn’t be a good look for the Warriors to get 50-plus tests without anyone on the team showing symptoms. Their exposure is limited because they didn’t have much crossover with the Jazz or Nets. They don’t have enough reason to be tested other than just the desire to know. The fan base and the media have an insatiable appetite for this league, the teams, these players and would want to know if their favorite player has contracted COVID-19. Of course, the team wants to know so it can get a handle on what it’s dealing with and act accordingly.

    “It is frustrating, but it’s just the reality,” Kerr said. “We’re in the same boat as everybody. It’s very difficult to find a test in California and many places.”

    There is an argument for testing these players, however, even while many others are being forced to self-diagnose.

    The term “super spreaders” is given to those who infect more people than the average individual. Something about their biology causes them to produce more virus than normal when they’re infectious. Out of 20 people someone comes in contact with, a typical infected person might infect three other people, but a super spreader might infect 20. NBA players can be considered super spreaders of sorts — not because they are more contagious than the average person but because of their wide reach. Superstar spreaders.

    In other words, if a star like Durant gets the virus, it can put more people at risk than a typical infected person would. As outlined in Ethan Strauss’ recent piece about why the NBA should’ve shut the season down earlier, NBA stars come in contact with so many people in their day-to-day lives it is of public interest to know when they are infected.

    Of course, if that’s the case, every professional athlete, celebrity, traveling business executive and the like will jump to the front of the test line, simply because of the increased contact points, while normal people get pushed back, because they don’t have as many contact points. And what part of equality is that?

    Even if there is an explanation as to why the NBA players are getting access to the tests, it doesn’t change the public relations nightmare it might cause. And it doesn’t fully excuse them getting the lion’s share of available tests. If anyone can self-quarantine and assume to be fine, it’s 20-something professional basketball players. A couple of players told me they don’t even want the test. If they have it, like presumably hundreds of thousands do without knowing, they’ll be fine and after quarantine they won’t be contagious.

    Plus, one has to wonder about the need for testing everybody. Out of all the tests issued between the Jazz, Raptors, Nets and Pistons, who played the Jazz on March 7, a total of seven players have been known to have tested positive, including Detroit center Christian Wood. The number of Pistons players and/or staffers tested is unknown, though it hasn’t been reported the entire team was tested. But if you presume that a total of 150 people from those teams have been tested and presume that the seven players are the only ones who tested positive in this group, that means there is less than a 5 percent positive rate. Which means even though they were on planes together, in locker rooms together, dining together, few people from their total number contracted the virus once someone on the team had it.

    So maybe, just maybe, the NBA players are safer than the number of tests suggest they are. Perhaps even when a player or two tests positive, those showing symptoms and the vulnerable should still be the only ones getting tested. Not the entire team.

    To be fair: There are plenty of “regular” people in these traveling parties. They aren’t all millionaires and famous people. Some are living check to check. Some are lower-middle class. Some live just like most people, all currently sequestered in their homes. They just got exposed and got access to the tests by association.

    It is hoped this scarcity won’t last for much longer. On Monday, the FDA announced an update to its policy of commercial testing. Using the Emergency Use Authorizations, it expanded who could create tests for the coronavirus and submit for approval. Previously, this was restricted to “certified” labs consistent with the Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments. But the new update expanded to accept more commercial manufacturers, allowing them to run diagnostic tests before federal review or even official emergency clearance.

    Less than 24 hours later, the FDA approved its first commercially produced coronavirus tests. According to reports, two approved companies, Roche and Thermo Fisher, have a combined two million tests available with the capacity to produce millions more. So the tests are coming to the masses. Finally.

    Until then, the Warriors will just have to shelter in place without tests. As they should. When this crisis broke out, Warriors executives sought out instructions on what to do. They were told by team doctors to leave the available tests for the people who need them. So that’s what they’re doing. Waiting. And hoping. Like everyone else.

    “I’m hoping,” Kerr said, “none of our guys went and hung out with any of (the Nets) players the night before our game.”

    (Photo: Fernando Medina / NBAE via Getty Images)
     
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  28. Mister Me Too

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    If ever there was proof that god does not exist. KD, gets Coronavirus meanwhile James Dolan is healthy as an ox.
     
  29. ShuPoor

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    Ehhhh kd getting coronavirus might be proof of a benevolent omnipotent being
     
  30. BudKilmer

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    Let’s say we do get basketball at some point, Could you make a competitive Olympic team with players from non playoff teams
     
  31. ShuPoor

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    Just send the Hawks imo, gold medal assured
     
  32. bwi2

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    Curry + 11 (yes, although it would be light on bigs, but most USAB rosters are)
     
  33. ShuPoor

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    The guards would still be insane. The bigs would be brutal, I just now learned that KAT plays for the Dominican Republic national team, so my first guess at starting center is gone. Maybe Zion as starting center.
     
  34. MG2

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    Based on current standings....

    G - Curry, Lillard, Holiday, McCollum, Young, Fox, Russell, Ball

    W - Booker, Beal, Ingram, Redick, DeRozan

    B - Zion, Green, Aldridge, Collins, Randle, Drummond, Love

    That team would destroy the rest of the world, especially if they're not getting playoff players on their roster.
     
  35. bwi2

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    Thanks, John Calipari!
     
  36. Crepeswithasmile

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  37. Imurhuckleberry

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    Klay has been planning on playing Olympics. Believed he would be cleared by then.
     
  38. MG2

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    With Kerr part of that coaching staff, I'll believe it when I see it.
     
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  40. poor paul

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    The Olympics aren’t happening.
     
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  41. Why?Pokes

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    That is pretty cool; I never knew Elvie existed let alone its dominant position on the baby app power rankings.

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  42. poor paul

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    This would be a fun team though.
     
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  43. Handcuffed

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    idk what that is. maybe i have an adblock on that you dont have?

    Code:
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  44. Why?Pokes

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  45. Celemo

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  46. Nandor the Relentless

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    Stockton was a beast. Almost never gets the respect he deserves in all-time greatest PGs discussion. His career assists and steals records are unbreakable these days. He could have retired four years earlier than he did and he would still own both records.

    He played all 82 games all four seasons while averaging 29.5 minutes a game so it wasn't just a guy running it out on the bench to get a few more paychecks.
     
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