*2019 Masters Tournament* COMEBACK COMPLETE

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  1. tjsblue

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    Tiger got second in the most recent major. I'd say it is less of a surprise in hindsight. I didn't start playing golf until 1995, but I watched that masters with my grandfather in 86 in his family room. He was a huge Arnie fan (he named our dog Arnie) and said watching Jack win brought back memories of his time. He didn't cry, but came close. He clapped multiple times and got out of his seat. Only time I remember my dad watching golf and caring as well. Cool story bro.
     
  2. TYdeFan05

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    I find it hard to compare the two eras because of the socioeconomic barriers to entry that existed back then. They still exist somewhat today, and it’s not like the difference between pre versus post integration baseball, but Tiger is competing with talent that wouldn’t be allowed membership to the masters until 1990 or even on the course until 1975 (Jack’s second to last Masters when Lee Elder was allowed to play).
     
  3. tjsblue

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    I'm OK comparing the two eras, but we don't need to diminish. Jack was amazing for the tools, equipment, information, and determination he brought to the game.
     
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  4. kslim

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    what jack did was crazy, that being said what tiger has done is just absurd when you look at how he transformed the game. rory, brooks, dj those guys are pure muscle and hit the ball 340+. think about how courses had to tiger proof them and how the players today have responded. its fucking nuts how tiger changed golf.
     
  5. The B1G Kucktis

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    Anyone know if they're planning on selling the hat Sam was wearing yesterday (black hat with the Tiger headcover)? I need that in my life.
     
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  6. jplaYa

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  7. DeckStrong

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    I'm not shitting on Jack. I really don't even view his win in '86 the same way I view Tiger's yesterday. That was Jack's exclamation point to the most impressive career that any golfer has ever had, to date. Tiger's was total redemption. He's not done with his career, not even close and everyone knows it. Getting the W yesterday was the last mental hurdle Tiger had to clear to be fully restored.

    "Greatest golfer of all time" can mean so many different things. Tiger revolutionized the sport. At his peak, no one was/is better.
     
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  8. TC

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    Is there a good book out there about Jack/his era?
     
  9. gus_chiggins

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    When you consider that just 2-3 years ago, it wasn’t known if Tig would ever play golf again, let alone win another major, it’s Tiger > Jack
     
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  10. Room 15

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    Is it me or is the fit in that model terrible? And why wouldn’t he put a swoosh on it?
     
  11. TC

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  12. gus_chiggins

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    As has been stated before, Tiger also means more to golf than Jack for a variety of reasons
     
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    Based on career results in majors, it’s Jack > Tiger, unless you don’t believe in maths.

    Tiger definitely overcame much more adversity to rise to the top again, but Hogan also won majors after nearly being killed in a car wreck.
     
  14. tjsblue

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  16. gus_chiggins

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    Losing a decade of your prime to injury has to be accounted for
     
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  17. indeed

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    Some of that was injury, some of it was less than ideal life choices.

    His return is incredible and very unique, but Jack’s overall results are superior, at least for now.
     
  18. Frank Martin

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    Jack’s ‘86 win was more impressive when you factor in he was playing with metal shafts and 190cc persimmon driver head.

    It was a lot harder for an older guy to win back then than it is now.
     
  19. Connor Norman

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    The course played at 6,905 yds in 86. Last week it played at 7,768. Almost 1,000 yards difference.
     
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  20. Duck2013

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    Imo if this era grew up in jacks era and jacks era grew up in this era you would have extremely similar results.

    these guys are fucking good and would be able to do it regardless of the equipment. I can’t stand the equipment debate.
     
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  21. kslim

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    im having a hard time understanding hogan to tiger or jack and if you want to go that route why not say bobby jones? you do understand that tiger literally couldnt walk at the champions dinner a few years ago right?
     
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  22. gus_chiggins

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    It’s his hill and he’s willing to die
     
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  23. kslim

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    indeed
     
  24. Duck2013

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    The most stark difference we have in today’s game compared to the past is super freak athletes who take care of their bodies at an obsessive level who realize they can win millions of dollars for decades by mauling a golf ball as far as they can.

    There were some examples of it back then, but the game is littered with those players now.

    A good example of why the equipment debate is silly is what tiger did in 2000. The equipment then to now is miles different and he was still putting balls out there off the tee like we see guys do today. He was just a superior athlete and obviously brought that element to the sport.
     
  25. IrishLAX2

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    When it’s self-inflicted, it’s tough to give the benefit of the doubt.

    Granted, I still think Tiger is the GOAT after yesterday. But if he comes up short on the major record, it was completely and entirely of his own doing.
     
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  26. Tiger Tiger Woods Y'all

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    When Tiger started playing he was alone in the gyms. It was Tiger and Vijay, actually.

    Jack was competing against overweight/unhealthy smoking sacks of potatoes.

    The talent Tiger has faced and won against is far superior to Jacks era.
     
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  27. Tiger Tiger Woods Y'all

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    Do people really think the divorce and public shaming, etc. was even anywhere CLOSE to blame for his bad play 2010 to now??

    I didn't really think that was a thing. Tiger was broken on his knee in 2008 and his back was already flaring up. He hasn't been healthy since.
     
  28. Duck2013

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    Part of me wants this to make a comeback
     
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  30. IrishLAX2

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    And if you’ve followed his career closely/read all the books, most or all of those injuries occurred because he either pushed himself too hard on the course (which I have a hard time blaming him for) or off the course (which is completely inexcusable).

    The knee was because he was trying to become a Navy SEAL.
     
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  31. Racki

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    I started golfing because of Jack and his 30 on the back 9 at Augusta at the age of 46 will never be topped for me but I understand how others who never got to see Jack play would feel differently. Tiger has transcended the game and broke a bunch of barriers in the process. His comeback story is for the ages and I would be just fine if he passed Jack for all time majors wins.
     
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  32. Tiger Tiger Woods Y'all

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    This is largely conjecture.

    Some people think he tour it completely after a fist pump at the 2007 PGA. Even before that and certainly before training with the seals he had fluid drained and a cyst removed from the knee. In 2007 he opted against having his ACL replaced and did a ton of rehab that probably in the end caused more harm than good, because during that time he also ruptured his achilles.

    The dude played more golf, practiced harder, and worked harder than anyone before him in the game. He made some mistakes in his rehab/medical decisions and he paid the consequences.

    IMO and many others the "off the field" things didnt hurt him near as much as the above.
     
  33. TC

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    Elin beat the talent out of him with a golf club. That's easier to remember
     
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  34. DeckStrong

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    How many kids that could have excelled at other sports decided on golf bc of Jack?

    There was no 3 point line when Wilt Chamberlain played in the NBA. Should he be considered better than Michael Jordan?

    Bill Russell won 11 rings. Should he be considered better than Michael Jordan?
     
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  35. gus_chiggins

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    I mentioned earlier itt that young Tiger’s swing was far too violent and put too much stress on his left knee and back to hold up for an entire career
     
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  36. Tiger Tiger Woods Y'all

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    Thank god for the Windermere hometown police. My boys can wrap it up like nobodys business.
     
  37. kslim

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    you have to understand how much torque the guy was putting on his back, did doing drugs and being fucked up all the time help? absolutely not but his swing defies a lot of logic when you really look at it
     
  38. DeckStrong

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    I'm sure Tiger appreciates that you're ok with it.
     
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  39. IrishLAX2

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    The knee issues started with his violent swing. They blew up after his stint working out with the Navy SEALs. Those workouts are confirmed by SEALs. His ex caddie also claimed he blew the knee during said workouts.

    Call it conjecture all you want. But it’s far more likely he fucked it up there then during a fist pump. Beyond that, how does someone who has a body already showing signs of breaking down think it’s a good idea to try to become a Navy SEAL? It’s inexcusably dumb no matter how you slice it.

    Again, he’s the GOAT. But if he doesn’t break that record, it has everything to do with poor decisions he made in his personal life - whether they be his familial issues or putting way too much stress on his body.
     
  40. IrishLAX2

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    His swing pre-Haney did, yes. His swing since then has been no different from a torque standpoint than any of the other players on Tour right now who have ball speeds over 175.
     
  41. Tobias

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    tiger trying to be a navy seal is one of the more bizarre sports stories and i feel like it doesnt get talked about enough
     
  42. TC

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    IMO the same thing that made Tiger great is the same thing that caused him to fuck himself up with Navy SEALS and hookers and stuff. All part of the makeup that made one of golf's greatest players ever
     
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  43. TC

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    I love the story because of how well it proves that satisfaction/happiness in life is about so much more than money. With everything he had already and everything still on the line, his primary concern was proving himself to his dead father and to military badasses in secret unpaid workouts
     
  44. Henry Blake

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    Yesterday, Tiger described the success of his renewed or remade swing as "I still have good hands."
     
  45. kslim

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    okay let me tell you from a person that has aged a bit, it adds up over time
     
  46. kslim

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    insert taking crazy pills gif but are we really acting like tiger wasnt broken as fuck? he had his spine fused for christ sake
     
  47. Tiger Tiger Woods Y'all

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    His knee was already fucked prior to this, he most likely had already torn his ACL completely before the "kill house" incident.

    Was it a dumb decision? Yes. But I promise you this isn't what pushed him over the edge to ACL surgery ultimately in June.

    Either way we can agree that the Navy Seals thing wasnt great for his career, but what TC is perfect

     
  48. jplaYa

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    nope.
     
  50. marcus

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