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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by teel, Mar 28, 2019.
Can someone? Yes. Can you? I have my doubts.
From yahoo in January:
While getting players to talk openly about the scandal was important, many wondered why MLB went out of its way to make sure the players wouldn’t be punished. Turns out, it was because the league feared it would lose player grievances, according to Jared Diamond of the Wall Street Journal.
The league was quick to make such an offer, these people said, in part because it did not believe it would win subsequent grievances with any players it attempted to discipline. That’s partly because of a bureaucratic shortcoming: The Astros’ front office never discussed with players the league’s admonitions against using electronic devices to steal signs, according to Manfred’s statement.
MLB operated under the assumption that the Astros’ front office never informed the players that using technology to steal signs was illegal. Because of that, MLB feared players would get suspensions shortened or overturned by claiming they never knew what they were doing broke the rules. It’s the George Costanza defense.
Whether that’s a legitimate argument is up for debate. Did Astros players really not know using cameras to steal signs was illegal? Did they not read stories about the Boston Red Sox getting in trouble for using an Apple Watch to steal signs?
Ultimately, MLB didn’t want to debate those questions. The league chose to believe the Astros never told players using technology to steal signs was bad.
That seems pretty suspect but I guess hard to prove and MLB didn't really feel like it.
Dismissing my complaints bc I'm a Yankees fan is very on brand for you.
If Jose Altuve tests positive for steroids, can MLB suspend Alex Bregman?
If Mike Fiers says the Astros are rampant steroid abusers, can MLB suspend Alex Bregman and Jose Altuve?
Manfred was looking for a reason not to go after players.
Did Bregman put the needle in Altuve's ass and then help him cover it up? If so, suspend him for conduct not in the best interest of baseball.
Is there video to back up Fier's claim? If so, suspend them.
Are there players that didn't participate? Probably. Sucks for them but they should have spoken up. If you suspend everyone, next time someone will speak up. Now the precedent has been set that the players can do any cheating they want and they won't be held accountable. Now it's 100% on the manager and GM to stop it. They are the only ones held responsible for it. The players have free reign to do anything they want.
What are your thoughts of the recruiting practices in SEC football?
This is spot on imhv
Known cheaters + zero punishment sounds familiar
Alabama was caught once and hammered. This is a bad example.
Should I even bother catching up on the last few pages or is it all just folks going back and forth with dbl?
Everything is fine
The man has spoken:
mostly, but I made a pithy joke about it too.
Me at the bar
Because he was told to by his bosses. He does not operate as a rogue agent.
Is there a long form article anywhere that talks about how the commissioner's office went from completely independent and able to do whatever he wanted with a lifetime appointment under Landis to now just being a pawn for owners? Was it a gradual thing or did something big happen to change it?
Not baseball specific but this one from a few years ago was great
By the way, I found that so easily because it has one of the most ridiculous memorable lines I can remember, saying an MLB commissioner would be chosen with white smoke coming out of Boog's BBQ's smokeshack
Feels good to be a champion and not have players on performance enhancers like every yankee WS winner ever. Fucking cheaters.
So would it have been better if Manfred just pretended this never happened and buried his head in the sand like the NCAA?
Remember the time the Royals stole the Astros soul in 2015?
That was awesome
I’m probably the asshole here but man I just don’t see the big deal. You still have to hit the ball. And apparently this was like the ncaa and paying players.
don't forget the yankees.
Never played baseball, huh?
At the major league level? No. Can’t say I have.
High school? College?
This faux outrage from Yankees fans is particularly delicious.
I get dodger fans being pissed. As well they should be. Yankee fans? Lol gfto
Can we just agree to the following:
1.) Get rid of the Astros franchise, erase all victories/titles
2.) Ban all players, coaches, season ticket holders, casual fans, and ownership for life
3.) Tear down Minute Maid Park and salt the earth
Seems like the simple and obvious choice
Hey man!! That’s downtown Houston. Prime real estate!
Aroldis Chapman should probably the one person we don’t hear from this imo
doubtful that anyone that follows baseball cares what Astros fans think
But the most bitching has been from Yankees fans by far.
The largest fanbase has the most people upset that a team cheated their way to a a title.
I'm forgetting, what team was most successful during the peak of the steroid era, you know, when players cheated and didn't get punished for it?
You're trying too hard.
I'm going to end up muting so many people or unwatching this thread and I'm sad
no just one of them. the same guy who would be making even more absurd excuses than astro fans are if it was the yankees
but that’s typical dbl hypocrisy
Dbl should probably sit this one out once we start pointing fingers at cheaters
One really doesn't have to try that hard to spot the irony hypocrisy
Dusty being sent out as the teddy bear shield is a bit justified as he did that with his kid after the NLCS in the press conference.
David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez
also probably Dustin Pedroia