***2019 MLB Thread: Making Daddy Proud***

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  1. JeremyLambsFace

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    That was shared last offseason and I thought the story was Hart came into the locker room and Markakis told him that in front of everyone on the team.
     
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  2. dblplay1212

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    You have it in your head that the union was never going to allow a member to be suspended. You realize two members were suspended for a year and subsequently fired right? Weird what happens when immunity isn't given the first day.

    The overwhelming majority of the PA would support punishment. If you let them vote today, they'd vote to punish them. So no I don't think it would have caused a strike.

    As for PR disasters, it couldn't be worse than what we have now. Manfred looks incredibly weak and players are upset.

    But Tony Clark is happy. Yay.
     
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  3. JeremyLambsFace

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    I think the overwhelming majority of this thread would vote for this discussion to stop
     
  4. ashy larry

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    let’s talk about how fucked the Yankees pitching staff is. i’ll start.

    they’re FUCKED
     
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  5. spagett

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    Thank you
     
  6. dtx

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    thread is real bad now

    almost as bad as the rays decison to stay in saint pete
     
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  7. MG2

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    Hold on. Do you think the PLAYERS union represents AJ Hinch and Jeff Luhnow? Because this post says you do, which is fucking hilarious.
     
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  8. dblplay1212

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    The Major League Baseball Players Association is the collective bargaining representative for all current Major League Baseball players. All players, managers, coaches, and athletic trainers who hold or have held a signed contract with a Major League club are eligible for membership in the Association.

    :idk:
     
  9. dblplay1212

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  10. MG2

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    I've never heard that before and, if they actually are members in some way I'll admit I was wrong. They were not able to be protected by the union here, even if they were members. It was widely reported at the time that execs and on field personnel are forced to cooperate with MLB during investigations, and are subject to punishments without the appeals process.
     
  11. Boo MFer!

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    Oh, you!
     
  12. dblplay1212

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    Maybe managers decline to pay the dues, idk. It's right there on the MLBPA website that they are eligible for membership though.
     
  13. Tobias

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    dbl stop ruining the thread you illiterate jackass
     
  14. electronic

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    You'll just have to take my word for this because I'm not sure I can find a citation, but they're part of the union for things like licensing purposes, but not for purposes of collective bargaining/grievances/etc. For example, (I think) they'll get royalty checks for video game appearances through union negotiation, but they don't get union protection for suspensions or fines.
     
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  15. MG2

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    That makes sense
     
  16. MG2

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    Good story from Rostenthal on the arb process and how stupid it is.

     
  17. MG2

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    Way to turn the Astros into sympathetic figures, dblplay1212

     
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  18. ZeroPointZero

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    My comment to Josh Reddick was that his kids were cancerous to his team and our league

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  19. dblplay1212

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    Astros fans have been making death threats to Fiers so naaaa. But yea some people just suck.
     
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  20. ashy larry

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    the bernie bros are at it again!
     
  21. bro

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    is this stage 3 of the process?

    awful apology
    defensive
    plea for sympathy based on random tweets
     
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  22. ZeroPointZero

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    death threats were better before analytics ruined them, you used to have to cut the letters out of magazines individually and mail them to someone, now you just set up a Twitter egg account and you're set
     
  23. southside

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    Soooo who are the division and WS winners this year guys?
     
  24. Fidelio

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    Astros
     
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  25. zeberdee

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    Joe is such a cunt.

     
  26. Dr. Richard Cranium

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    Yeah Joe well can your daughter draw a funny map?
     
  27. MG2

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    Kind of surprised Joe is on that side, given his crusade against MLB and owners not spending money.
     
  28. bro

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    you ask me before spring training even begins?!?!
     
  29. CC

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    We have yet to even find out which players are in the best shape of their lives!
     
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  30. Fidelio

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    not severino and his forearm

     
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  31. southside

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    Trying to do everyone a favor and get DBL to shut up
     
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  32. G46

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    the good news here is that he is starting his 5 month DL stint now, so he should be ready to go in August.

    The key going forward is not losing at least one more starter (outside of Paxton and German).
     
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  33. JGator1

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    Careful, he singlehandedly saved the city of the Boston with an inspiring speech after the worst terrorist attack in human history.
     
  34. dblplay1212

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    lol Paxton, Severino, and German all already down. It can't be worse than last year, right? RIGHT?
     
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  35. G46

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    We say this now, but I’m sure it will. At least no one is indispensable
     
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  36. Clown Baby

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    I’m very excited to see what kind of deranged lunatic the Phillies have dreamt up to avoid having to pay the Phanatic’s original creators
     
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  37. Boo MFer!

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  38. SC

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    It’s impressive really how bad Houston is handling this as an org.
     
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  39. Clown Baby

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    Sorry if already mentioned but I can’t think of a sports related book that has aged more poorly

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    The publishers should redo the cover art to add a trash can
     
  40. MG2

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    He's been on MLB Now a few times since the scandal and it's really awkward. When Rosenthal first reported it, he was on the show with Dan O'Dowd and was kind of defending the Astros and O'Dowd was having none of it.
     
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  41. Clown Baby

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    The reasoning was there when Reiter made his prediction. The Astros tanked long enough to draft some elite players and they hit on just about all them. The only thing left was to supplement that homegrown talent with solid veterans and boom, recipe for success. But what aged so poorly is painting management as analytics geniuses when it turns out it was good old fashioned cheating. But if he is refusing to walk it back, then shame on him.
     
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  42. MG2

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    They missed on Appel and didn't even sign the #1 overall pick one year (which turned into Bregman the following year, so it worked out). Their success went beyond just tanking and cheating. They were legit on the cutting edge of a lot of stuff that became more prevalent as time went on (stuff like spin rate, pitch tunneling/sequencing, the use of high speed cameras for pitchers, focus on exit velo for hitters, the extent of their scouting reports for hitters, etc.). Some of the performance stuff has been found to be either them blurring or blowing past the lines of acceptable behavior, of course, which clearly played a role in them having the extreme success they had.
     
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  43. Clown Baby

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    Yeah, I actually typed more about the analytics stuff but didn’t think I’d articulated it well enough so I cut it. My biggest takeaway in all this is that the Astros could’ve won the World Series without the cheating. It just doesn’t make sense to me. Like the Patriots videotaping the Bengals to potentially steal their playcalling signals.
     
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  44. SC

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    Remember when Bill James was a brilliant analytical mind?

     
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  45. MG2

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    I think what they were doing at the beginning was brilliant, beyond the tanking. The difference between them and a team like Detroit now is Houston used those awful seasons to try stuff the league wasn't doing and finding things that could really help them once they got good. It's also likely that mentality of always trying to innovate and try stuff that led them down the path of doing this shit that was way over the line. Luhnow being an outsider without much baseball background and apparently having zero leadership skills allowed it to get to a point where they were possibly putting buzzers on guys to tell them what pitch was coming.

    At the same time about the early stuff, a guy who worked for the Cardinals went to jail because he believed so firmly the Astros were cheating that he hacked into their database to steal information as retaliation, so maybe this is just what they were always doing.
     
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  46. Joe Louis

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    Can we say the Yankees training staff is bad now?
     
  47. MG2

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    It's amazing that replacing Bill James with Mad Dog Russo on the MLB Top 10 shows somehow turned into a massive upgrade.
     
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  48. MG2

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    Posting because it amuses me how ARod is somehow always involved in shady shit (really not that shady, in this case), and no one ever hesitates to throw him under the bus.

     
  49. dblplay1212

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    Considering they have an entirely new training staff, probably early to say that.