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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by teel, Mar 28, 2019.
because it is a discriminatory practice
Against people with facial hair?
I'm fine with getting rid of it but calling it discriminatory is laughable.
i cant wait until someone challenges it
New York law S4037 requires an employer to accept facial hair except where that facial hair is a hazard or interferes with the job. The Yankees’ policy is the exact opposite. Under S4037, the default is allowing facial hair; under the Yankees’ policy, the default is prohibiting it. Under S4037, the employer must establish that facial hair interferes with the job; under the Yankees policy, the employee must establish a religious reason. In other words, the Yankees’ policy is fundamentally at odds with S4037 and fundamentally illegal.
Yea iirc that passed in the last 1-2 years. If someone challenges it, it'll go away.
I don't remember the last player to challenge it though. Probably Mattingly in the 80s.
the policy is based on a racist standard of appearance
I know a number of black people who do not shave because their skin is more susceptible to razor bumps. Forcing them to shave is garbage
it's especially fucked considering NYC has a law requiring employers to allow natural hair in the workplace
remember Darnell McDonald? Jeter welcomed him to the team by telling him to cut his dreads
that is so incredibly fucked up
says the white man from the deep south
The last 2 guys I can remember that had to cut their hair or shave after signing was Ellsbury and Cole, both white.
Again, I'm fine with it going away but suggesting it's discriminatory is dumb.
again, says the white man from the deep south
at its very core, it is built upon a racist standard of appearance so fuck you
sorry for bringing this up, everyone else, didn't realize dbl was still such a chud
Telling white men to cut their hair is racist? Damn, learn something new every day.
failing to consider how that policy negatively impacts black people is an example of your white privilege fwiw
You do know all races are capable of growing long hair and facial hair correct?
I know we're just supposed to stand and clap for Desmond with that statement last night, but I find it odd that he mentions "rampant individualism on the field" in the same breath as racism, sexism and homophobia. Also that the MLB season isn't worth the risk and he needs to be there to answer COVID questions, but he's going to do everything possible to make sure a bunch of kids play little league this year.
a 100% effective treatment (for something that disproportionately impacts black men) is to let the beard grow
It’s a discriminatory standard. It’s a little disappointing that even after making some small progress, we still have so far to go to even get folks to acknowledge specific instances of racially based inequality.
I don’t see that anywhere in his statement.
Sorry. Misread your post. This is what I should have posted.
That says rampant individualism, but I guess we can talk about that part instead of the question I asked.
What do you think he’s saying is the problem with rampant individualism?
I fixed my post.
And I'm guessing he's an old school baseball guy who doesn't like bat flips and such.
I don’t think that’s it. Third paragraph, third sentence.
I think the rule is bullshit. My first job out of college, my manager asked me to shave and then one day, me and him got into it because I have the issue above where I can’t shave without breaking out or having ingrown hairs etc. just saying it affects all
quite the replacement for desmond
Again, in no place does that say playing baseball this year. In the context of his entire post, he’s talking about getting the league to thrive again.
Fair. I didn't see the stuff posted outside of the Tweets from last night. I have no clue what he means by the individualism thing, then, but it appears I was wrong about my interpretation of both things.
thank goodness. Good for Kemp
Why haven't the Rockies signed Puig?
:( fucking sucks man. I really do not get it.
I never said it didn't negatively affect black people. It affects white people equally. See Cole, Elllsbury, etc.
So just because two white people recently did it, it can't be a racist concept at its core?
Yeah I read the post and I’m not sure what he meant, but I don’t think Molly Knight’s tweet or the ESPN article capture his point. Yes, he’s sitting out due to COVID, but his posts about Sarasota Little League seem more connected to broader/deeper contemplation of his priorities and systemic inequality.
idk the history behind short hair and clean shaven being a "professional look." There could be a racial background to it, idk. A lot of things have come out lately as having very old ties to racism that I was unaware of. If it does or not, I'm ok with doing away with the rule. But saying it's discriminatory against blacks when the majority of players affected by it are white is just off base.
Regardless of everything said, it’s 2020 and I can’t believe it’s still a thing.
Here you go:
Discriminatory intent and discriminatory effect are two different things, but both are forms of discrimination.
Don't have time to read it all but will tonight. Thanks for the link.
I have no doubt "short hair and clean shaven" has ties to racism, hell it seems like most things do at this point. I just disagree with the idea that it's discriminatory today when it's been enforced against whites way more often than blacks. It's an outdated rule that probably has old school ties to racism but it affects white as much or more than blacks in practice today. If blacks were the only ones that grew long hair and/or facial hair or if it was only enforced against blacks it would be different.
Ian Desmond is the victim of Dan Szymborski's systematic distaste for his ability to play baseball and the Rockies management of their baseball operations
swing and a miss
Desmond was a little all over the place but he hit some important and valid topics. Baseball has absolutely become a sport for kids that can afford it and that's a shame. idk how you fix that but MLB needs to address it.
Not sure how it could be accomplished, but it seems like emphasizing local rec leagues and de-emphasizing summer league/travel baseball would be a good start.
Who emphasizes those though? Scouts? College coaches? They are basically All-Star teams so I get why they'd focus on them, they get to see the best players all together. Makes it easy for them. It's like AAU basketball. But AAU basketball has a ton of money flowing through it to where coaches of the AAU teams can pick up the bill for kids from low income households. But this shit starts super young for baseball. My nephew was doing travel ball at like 8-10 and I was baffled by it. I didn't know it had changed that much. If it was rec leagues up until HS and then travel ball started there, I'd say just add some funding for the travel ball teams so it's accessible to more people but when it's starting that young then idk what the answer is.
Minor league season officially canceled. It was obviously ending this way, but still sucks. At least the taxi squads will give a lot of the better prospects a little work this year. Still hopeful they can make a bigger AFL and Instructional League season happen this fall, but I'm not betting on these owners to make it happen.
Really hope he gets the help he needs, hate seeing that
Do clubs at least get to have prospects working at their spring training facilities? It would be cool if they could just have intra-club scrimmages with a small amount of fans. Maybe even put the games on in the middle of the night on regional sports networks.
Looks like George started it to go after white players.
I don’t care if the rule exists. I’ve held jobs with grooming standards and ones without. I can see the argument for both in certain settings, baseball isn’t one of them, but I don’t own the team.
But nothing has happened to cause them to stop. Their prize free agent even followed suit.
The prize free agent is basically the athletic version of dbl(lifelong Yankee fan). Of course he followed suit.
My point is that it’s not going to change till it hurts their wallets.